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Jeff Head

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How are we getting 29 amphibious assault ships from this is what I call it

Tarawa Class 1 units left in commission
Wasp class has 8 ships
San Antonio Class has 9 ships so far commissioned
Harpers Ferry Class has 4 ships
And Whidbay Class has 8 ships
Plus we have 2 Blue Ridge Class
Plus one Austin Class left

I count 33 amphibious ships can someone double check?
The Blue Ridge are not amphibious ships, they are command ships.

So that takes it down to 31, which I believe is the correct number of major amphibious ships...which is still short of 33.

The America will probably be commissioned in October of this year...but at that time they will also probably decommission the Peleliu.

So, it will probably not be until the next two San Antonio Class LPDs are commissioned until the US Navy gets to the 33 number, in 2015 and 2017.
 
On F-35B:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: May 9, 2014

Testing on the matting needed to support an F-35B Joint Strike Fighter vertical landing won't be complete before the aircraft's planned international debut at the Farnborough International Air Show in the United Kingdom this summer, the Marine Corps' deputy assistant commandant for aviation told reporters last week.

The Marine Corps is conducting testing on the AM-2 matting at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, MD, Brig. Gen. Matthew Glavy told reporters after a ceremony in West Palm Beach, FL, on May 5. However, testing won't be fully completed by the time the Royal International Air Tattoo (RIAT), the world's largest military air show, and FIAS roll around in July, Glavy said.

The F-35B requires a special "120 feet by 120 feet" pad installed on the tarmac to withstand the heat and blast of the aircraft's vertical landing exhaust, Marine Corps spokesman Capt. Richard Ulsh told Inside the Navy. This AM-2 matting helps prevent spalling of standard runway concrete, or more vulnerable asphalt.

The logistical requirements to bring in AM-2 matting for the F-35 for vertical landings include "spikes" to pin the matting into the foundation, Ulsh said, as well as a C-17 cargo aircraft.

The Marine Corps can land the F-35 without a mat on "certain" concrete, Ulsh said. If the concrete is not "suitable," the Marines will put down matting in order to support a vertical landing, he said. The Marine Corps has conducted 475 landings of the aircraft on a concrete foundation using the pad, he noted.

The challenge for RIAT and FIAS is that the British have requested a vertical landing of the aircraft on dirt and grass, Ulsh said. The Marine Corps will conduct testing of the AM-2 matting on this type of foundation in June, he said, but the analysis of those tests won't be completed until the fall.
 

asif iqbal

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The Blue Ridge are not amphibious ships, they are command ships.

So that takes it down to 31, which I believe is the correct number of major amphibious ships...which is still short of 33.

The America will probably be commissioned in October of this year...but at that time they will also probably decommission the Peleliu.

So, it will probably not be until the next two San Antonio Class LPDs are commissioned until the US Navy gets to the 33 number, in 2015 and 2017.

No question about that they are indeed command ships but the question is are they being counted in the 33 units

Because USN has them listed as "amphibious command ships" so I was thinking if they are listed as part of a amphibous force

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So to summerise as of now we have 31 active and soon to be 33 active amphibious ships I thought that number 29 seemed incorrect
 

Jeff Head

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32, 2 Austin in service :D
In more JSHV depends MSC but can be usefull ...
You are right, Forbin, two Austin's are active.

The Denver will be decommissioned this September, but is still active as an LPD.

However, they are probably not be counting the Ponce because it is being used as a center piece for Mine Countermeasure Operations right now, and then will be the test bed for the Rail Gun. So it is probably not counted in the amphibious ship total.
 
F-35B Hopes:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: May 9, 2014

The Marine Corps is optimistic the F-35 program will meet its July 2015 initial operating capability date
even though there are logistic system and retrofit modification challenges, according to a top service official.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos met with Brig. Gen. Matthew Glavy, assistant deputy commandant for aviation, on May 8 to discuss the Joint Strike Fighter program.

"We talked IOC a lot, I came away with a couple of impressions. One is [Lt.] Gen. [Christopher] Bogdan is absolutely committed to July IOC," Amos told Inside the Navy May 8 after a banquet in Arlington, VA. "They are working hard with Lockheed Martin, working hard with us to make this happen." Bogdan is the joint program executive officer of the F-35 program.

Amos said it will be "a lot of hard work" to get to the service's IOC deadline. Amos and Glavy discussed challenges with development of the Autonomic Logistics Information System. Lockheed Martin has formed a team to take a "deep dive" to develop ALIS.

"We hadn't been doing that before," Amos said. "I think a deployable ALIS is probably challenging, but we're going to get it."

Another hurdle for the Marines to achieve IOC is retrofit modification to the jets in the fleet. Amos said the joint program office formed a "tiger team" to review the modifications needed on each JSF variant.

"What I was told today was all of the mods required to make July IOC will be in our airplanes, all of them," he said. "There will be other mods, but they are not critical for IOC."

Amos said the fact he and Glavy did not discuss challenges with F-35 software is "a big deal."

In March, ITN reported software challenges threatened to delay Navy and Marine Corps IOC schedules. Air Force Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan, F-35 joint program executive officer, told reporters after a House Armed Services tactical air and land subcommittee hearing that the Navy is at risk of experiencing a three- to four-month delay in declaring IOC, while the Marine Corps faces a 30-day delay.

Bogdan said 206 individual capabilities must be worked through before Block 2B software can be implemented, and the program office is 80 percent complete with that.

"My assessment and my look at the technical risk is I am within 30 days of completing [Block] 2B on time," he said.
 

Solaris

Banned Idiot
I seriously hope the Pentagon has learned its bitter lesson regarding the ridiculous concept known as "concurrency" with the F-35 program. I'm sick of my tax dollars being sunk into Lockmart's coffers. :(
 

Air Force Brat

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I seriously hope the Pentagon has learned its bitter lesson regarding the ridiculous concept known as "concurrency" with the F-35 program. I'm sick of my tax dollars being sunk into Lockmart's coffers. :(

Solaris, I was an early critic of "concurrency", but now that the preeminent fifth gen on the planet is out of production, I am thankful the F-35 is in LRIP, and concurrency will give us operational F-35s long before the more conventional path would have, and yes with all the rumblings from the West and the East, it does let me sleep better at night! Now if you're not concerned about being a gun-fighter in a dangerous world, you probably sleep better than I do anyway???? brat
 
On P-8A Bases:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: May 9, 2014

The Navy will issue a final decision on the basing options for the P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft in late May or early June, following the release of a final supplemental environmental impact statement for the introduction of the aircraft into the Navy fleet.

The final SEIS, released April 25, looked at the potential environmental effects of several alternatives and identified a preferred alternative that would place six fleet squadrons in addition to a fleet replacement squadron at Naval Air Station Jacksonville, FL, six fleet squadrons at NAS Whidbey Island, WA, a permanent, rotating squadron detachment at Marine Corps Base Hawaii Kaneohe Bay, with periodic squadron detachments at the Naval Base Coronado Island, CA.

This alternative would mean 54 P-8A Poseidon aircraft home based at NAS Jacksonville and 42 aircraft at NAS Whidbey Island by 2020.

According to the final SEIS, this plan "is the preferred alternative because it meets mission requirements, optimizes operational efficiencies related to training and logistics support functions, minimizes environmental impacts, and provides cost savings," when compared to the other alternatives that would home base five fleet squadrons and the fleet replacement squadron at NAS Jacksonville, seven fleet squadrons at NAS Whidbey Island, also with a permanent, rotating squadron detachment at MCB Hawaii Kaneohe Bay and periodic squadron detachments at NB Coronado.

"Alternative 1 presents the greatest re-use of existing facilities and optimizes manpower, simulators, and facilities at NAS Jacksonville and NAS Whidbey Island," the final SEIS reads.

A "no action" alternative in the final SEIS "represents current conditions in April 2014 to be used as a baseline of comparison against which environmental consequences can be measured."

In 2009, after the Navy completed a final environmental impact statement in 2008, the assistant secretary of the Navy for energy, installations, and environment determined that the service would home base the P-8A squadrons at three locations. But since then, the Navy has determined that home basing the P-8A squadrons at two locations, instead of three, "could provide potential cost savings while still meeting current strategic operational objectives," according to the final impact statement.

"Dual-site home basing could provide potential cost savings while reducing redundancies and still meeting current strategic operational objectives," the executive summary of the final SEIS reads. "As such, this SEIS analyzes the environmental impacts associated with home basing aircraft at two rather than three locations."

While the final SEIS notes a preferred alternative, the Navy can still make a different final determination later this month.

"Although Alternative 1 has been identified as the preferred alternative, the Secretary of the Navy may choose any of the alternatives," according to a notice of availability for the final SEIS.

This decision is expected in late May or early June, within the 30-day timeline following the release of the final SEIS, Lt. Cmdr. Reann Mommsen told Inside the Navy last week.

The Navy released the draft SEIS in September and has since solicited public comment and involvement in determining the preferred alternative.

Public meetings were initially scheduled for NAS Whidbey Island on Oct. 8, 2013, and for NAS Jacksonville on Oct. 17, 2013, with a 45-day public comment period through November, but the federal government shutdown last fall pushed the public meetings to November and pushed the public comment timeline forward, according to the final SEIS.

"The public comment period was extended to December 2, 2013, to ensure the community had ample opportunity to provide input. In total, the public comment period comprised 76 days," the final SEIS states.

A total of 89 individuals signed in at the two public meetings and a total of 83 comments were received during the comment period, according to the document. The Navy then prepared responses and made revisions to the SEIS, which according to the final SEIS "do not alter any conclusions regarding the nature or magnitude of impacts on any resource."

Overall, comment topic areas included support for the P-8A basing, concerns about noise, safety and air quality, concerns about natural resources, and concerns about potential changes in flight operations at NAS Whidbey Island's Ault Field and Naval Outlying Field Coupeville as a result of the home basing.

In response to noise concerns, the Navy wrote that "Noise effects from the P-8A would be similar to those of the P-3C aircraft that it is replacing. The P-8A is approximately 1 to 2 dB louder than the P-3C during takeoff and landing, causing a slightly higher yet still comparable noise impact on the ground."

"While the P-8A is slightly louder than the P-3C, P-8A operations would decrease when compared to baseline P-8A and P-3C operations," the public response states. "This is because approximately 70% of P-8A flight training will be conducted in simulators, compared to the approximately 30% of P-3C flight training that currently occurs in simulators." The Navy's analysis, initially included in the draft SEIS, particularly evaluated the facilities available at each base, noting that NAS Jacksonville "has existing facilities appropriately sized to support five or six squadrons of P-8A aircraft plus the FRS."

The draft SEIS noted that NAS Whidbey Island has existing facilities "appropriately sized to support three P-3C squadrons" and would, therefore, need to be constructed to home base P-8A squadrons, since the P-3C aircraft is smaller and has different facility requirements than the P-8A.

"Home basing fewer than five squadrons and the FRS at NAS Jacksonville would result in additional construction and environmental impacts at NAS Whidbey Island," the Navy analysis reads, adding that siting anything fewer than five squadrons at NAS Jacksonville would also create excess capacity there.

"Accordingly, the process for developing home basing alternatives sought to ensure the efficient and economical transition to the P-8A at two locations," the final SEIS reads.

The Navy made its official initial operational capability announcement for the P-8A aircraft on Dec. 1, just as the War Eagles of Patrol Squadron-16 (VP-16) deployed with six Poseidons to Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, Japan. The Navy then cleared the program for full-rate production on Jan. 3.
 
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