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Release Date: 1/8/2014
From Commander, Naval Air Force Atlantic

NORFOLK, Va. (NNS) -- A second crewman has died following the crash this morning of a U.S. Navy MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopter in the Virginia Capes.

Two crew members remain hospitalized at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital. One is listed in serious condition and the other has been upgraded to fair condition.

The search for the fifth crew member is continuing.

The identity of the deceased crew members will not be released until 24 hours after the notification of next of kin.

The crew members are all members of Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron Fourteen (HM-14) based at Norfolk Naval Station Chambers Field. They were flying a MH-53E "Sea Dragon" on a routine mine countermeasure training exercise when the accident happened.

Virginia Beach Fire Department boats have located the aircraft fuselage and tail section using their side-scan radar.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff, do you have any idea what condition those S-3 Vikings slated for sell to the ROK are in?
Those S-3s are at the US Air Force Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (AMARC) at Davis Montham Air Base outside of Tucson, AZ. This is the central depot for all US military planes that are pulled out of service and put into storage. AMARC puts retired aircraft into long term storage, often covering them with a white plastic coating called Spraylat to protect the aircraft from the elements. In many cases, the stored aircraft are refurbished and sent back into service, sometimes after being sold to foreign nations. In other cases, useful parts are pulled off of the aircraft, and the remains are then sold to scrappers.

My guess is that the S-3s are in good condition. They have not been there that long and the environment is condusive to storage. it is dry and will not have much corrosion develop, particularly as they are covered with Spraylat.

If the South Koreans go ahead with the purchase, then those 18 airrcraft would come from storage and would receive intial refurbishment there, and then more specific upgrades at either a maintenance location in the US, or in South Korea.
 

Jeff Head

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Our condolensces to the family and friends of these personnel who were killed...and that of the third who is most likely deceased.

May God in Heaven rest their souls, and may He comfort the family and friends knowing that ultimately they will be reunited.

This just underscores the basic danger that all of our military personnel are subjected to, even in peacetime exercises. And they do it on our behalf.

Always remember...never forget.
 

Jeff Head

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Some facts you might not know (I certainly didn't :) :
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Yes, I believe most Naval enthusiast, particularly US Naval enthusiast are aware of the extens and size of Naval Station Norfolk.

I was able to visit the base in July 2012 and put a page up regarding that visit on my site:


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Lots of pictures of guided missile destroyers, guided missile cruisers, landing platform docks, landing helicopter docks, nuclear attack submarines, and trhe carriers there at that page.
 

Equation

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This is such sad news when I read this. This shouldn't have happened to our vets but the reality is not pretty.:( But it looks like he's not giving up on life, that's good. My question is what happened to his pensions after retirement?

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He spent 30 years in the U.S. military, earned three graduate degrees and eventually worked his way to the Pentagon before retiring — but today, former Air Force Col. Robert Freniere, 59, is living out of his van, filling out job applications on public computers in libraries.

Freniere's story stands in stark contrast to common beliefs about unemployed, homeless veterans being made up of former soldiers from the rank-and-file. But an in-depth profile of Freniere by The Philadelphia Inquirer shows that problems affecting veterans don't discriminate based on chain of command; they go up to the top brass.

How could this have happened? The answer is complex and representative of what veterans face when they attempt to re-enter civilian life.

After retiring, it took Freniere a year to get a job with a defense contractor. When that work dried up, it was hard to find a civilian job that complemented his background in intelligence. A divorce, the costs of two kids' college expenses and struggles with dyslexia left Freniere calling his van his home.

According to the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, some 58,000 vets face life on the street each day, and "over the course of a year, approximately twice that many experience homelessness," the organization says. "Only 7% of the general population can claim veteran status, but nearly 13% of the homeless adult population are veterans."

Unemployment is an even bigger problem. The rate among veterans who have served since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon stands at 10 percent, or 246,000 out of work. For those under age 25, the rate increases dramatically to 30 percent.

But Freniere isn't giving up.

"I'm a military guy. I'm mission-oriented," he told the Inquirer. "I've got a lot of good experience. I've got two beautiful sons. I've got a van. I don't know how long it's going to hold up, but I've got it. I've got a lot of things to be thankful for."

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Thanks Jura, and in response to your questions about the Air Force Magazine's credibility, I would point you to the Air Force Associations, "Air Warfare Symposium" to be held in February, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen Mark Welsh, and Gen Mike Hostage of ACC, are among the keynoters at this symposium, if I had the funds I would love to attend. That should remove all doubt about the credibility of the Air Force Magazine, which is published by the AFA. I'm not to good at posting links, but if you go to their websight, you will find details to the presentation, and it would make any Sino Defense member a great vacation, would be a great venue for some of us to meet, and it should be very interesting to those of you who are interested in every aspect of air-warfare. I am almost certain that General Hostage will give the latest assessment of both the J-20 and T-50, in a nice polite manner of course, you might even run in to them in the lobby???? Kool huh????
 

Jeff Head

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This is such sad news when I read this. This shouldn't have happened to our vets but the reality is not pretty.:( But it looks like he's not giving up on life, that's good. My question is what happened to his pensions after retirement?

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In 2010 an O6 grade (Colonel) with 30 years of service would have been paid about $10,200 per month, or, $122,400 per year.

If he retired at the end of 30 years, his retirement income would be aprroximately 75% of his high three monthly pay...in this case, around $7,500 per month, or $90,000 per year.

If he did even 2% of his pay into the TSP plan, he should have had a boatload of money in that account too, which he could be receiving monthly payments for. A lot of O6 level officers receive another $3-5,000 per month.

That's all a very good retirement. It makes you wonder why he is living out of a car.

Vetreans do need to be taken care of, but you cannot protect everyone, even veterans, from bad choices they may make.

No doubt his divorced wife is getting a big chunk of that...perhaps a full 50% as a result of the divorce. Why did that divorce happen? We do not know. Could have been choices she made, or choices he made.

Bottom line is that the system is bound to be working for him. But if he squandered his pay, ran up excessive debt, or any number of other things....heck, there's no system in the world that could make everything okay.

So, I do hate to see it, but not knowing the details, other than knowing that after 30 years, if he made O6, that his retirement benefits are very substantial, I cannot say that the country has somehow failed this man.

We would need to know a lot more details before we could make that judgment.
 
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bd popeye

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Well stated Jeff. Apparently the Col. lost his ability to cope with life somewhere along the line. Some folks just drop out. Apparently he's trying to get back in step with life.

Even if he had to give his ex-wife half his pension monthly via divorce agreement he should not be homeless. Not at all. He made bad choices IMO somewhere along the line..
 
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