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Actually...from the US Air Force perspective, and from a mission requirement perspective, there is. Read on.

Actually, this report does not speak to the real issues for the C-27 removal. it really had nothing to do with the shutdown and their placement in the boneyard was not a result of it. In fact, it predates it significantly.

Here is a short history of the C-27 bid and how it came to be.

In 2005 the U.S. Army had identified the need to replace the C-23 Sherpa medium lift aircraft. That aircraft's performance was simply not suited for the hot, high terrain of Southwest Asia. Alenia Aeronautica offered the C-27 into the resulting competition to address this issue.

Lockheed Martin chose to offer the C-130J in 2006 as a contender in the same U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) competition. Alenia Aeronautica first paired with L-3 Communications to form the Global Military Aircraft Systems (GMAS) joint venture to market the C-27. Later, Boeing joined Alenia and L-3 Communications as a GMAS team member.

The C-27 completed the U.S. Department of Defense's Early User Survey evaluations by November 2006, flying 26 hours and surpassing all the JCA program requirements. The GMAS team announced that the C-27 would be assembled at a facility at Cecil Field, Duval County, Florida.

The final selection of the JCA came on 13 June 2007, when the Pentagon selected the C-27 as its Joint Cargo Aircraft. A contract worth US$2.04 billion was awarded to the L-3 Communications team for 78 C-27s along with training and support on 13 June 2007. At that time, the U.S. Army had requirement for up to 75 aircraft in the Army National Guard; the Air Force had a requirement for up to 70 aircraft in the Air Force Special Operations Command and the Air National Guard.

On 22 June 2007, the award of the JCA contract to the Alenia C-27 was formally protested. On 27 September 2007, the GAO announced that it had denied the protest, thereby allowing the Pentagon to go ahead with the C-27 procurement. The first flight of a U.S. C-27 occurred on 17 June 2008. The United States military officially received its first C-27 on 25 September 2008...over five years ago. In September 2008 L-3 Link officially began classes at the Georgia Army National Guard Flight Facility, Robins Air Force Base, Georgia for C-27 training. In April 2009, the U.S. Army had accepted deliveries of two aircraft and had 11 more on order. A proposal in May 2009 was made to have the U.S. Army/Army National Guard relinquish all of its aircraft to the U.S. Air Force, primarily the Air National Guard, with a reduction to 38 aircraft. This led the DoD to give total control of the US's C-27Js to the USAF in December 2009.

By July 2010, the U.S. Air National Guard had received four C-27s and began using them for testing and training. The purchase of all 38 Spartans was anticipated with initial operational capability expected by October 2010. The U.S. Air Force planned the C-27's first combat deployment for summer 2011.

In August 2011, two C-27 aircraft flown by Air National Guard personnel began operations at Kandahar Air Field, Afghanistan. From August to December 2011, the C-27s of the 179th Airlift Wing transported some 400 tons of cargo, and over 6,900 passengers in more than 900 missions.

However, and nonetheless, by early 2012, the USAF moved to cancel the program entirely. On 26 January 2012, the U.S. Department of Defense announced plans to remove all 38 C-27s on order from the U.S. Air Force's inventory because it was determined that over the long haul, their niche capabilities would too expensive. It was announced that the C-27's duties were to be taken by the U.S. Air Force's C-130s.

In February 2012, Alenia warned that it would not provide support for C-27s resold by the United States.

Then, in March 2012, it was reported that the U.S. Coast Guard was considering taking over the aircraft from the U.S. Air Force.

On 23 March 2012, the U.S. Air Force announced that it would cut all C-27s from its inventory in fiscal year 2013 after determining that its per-aircraft lifecycle costs are higher than those of C-130J aircraft performing the same combat resupply mission. In July 2012 the entire fleet was grounded due to a flight control system failure.

By early 2013, the USAF was continuing to shut down the program. At that time, over 9 months ago, newly built C-27Js were being sent directly to the Davis–Monthan Air Force Base boneyard. This was to make room for C-130s. The Coast Guard and other civil, or allied services will be able to bid on and take up these aircraft as desired.

So, the shutdown had nothing to do with this...it had been started almost a year ago for the reasons listed. Overall life time costs, maintenance costs, the C-130J being able to do the mission, etc. Now they are available for others to pick them up and use them.

Very well written Master Jeff, the crux of the matter is the USAF believes the C-27 is not cost effective or fully mission capable for their needs, the C-130 has been the standard for tactical airlift for OVER 50 years for a lot of very good reasons. The C-27 is not a tactical airlifter in the true sense of the word, although I will concede that the Army has made use of such aircraft for their "run-about", its a shame that they don't still operate it, as I'm sure they would make good use of it??? brat
 

Jeff Head

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I will concede that the Army has made use of such aircraft for their "run-about", its a shame that they don't still operate it, as I'm sure they would make good use of it??? brat
Well, the US Air Force took it over...surely a continuing part of the historical "if it's fixed wing, it's mine," battle that has been going on for a long time between the Army and Air Force. The Army can have its helos, but the fixed wing aircraft are viewed by the USAF as "their" territory...their turf.

Anyhow, I am sure the C-130J will do the job very well and the Army will not hurt as a result.

I am also pretty sure that the Coast Guard, some other agencies (like the Forest Service for Fire Fighting), and allied nations, will pick up these Spartans and make good use of them. Very little hours on them...and in some cases none at all.
 

navyreco

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Raytheon awarded US Navy next generation Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) contract
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Raytheon Company has been awarded a $385,742,176 cost-plus-incentive-fee contract for the engineering and modeling development phase design, development, integration, test and delivery of Air and Missile Defense S-Band Radar (AMDR-S) and Radar Suite Controller (RSC). AMDR is the Navy's next generation integrated air and missile defense radar and is being designed for Flight III Arleigh Burke (DDG 51) class destroyers beginning in 2016.
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navyreco

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Ingalls-built Amphibious Transport Dock Somerset (LPD 25) Completes Acceptance Trials
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Huntington Ingalls Industries announced today that the amphibious transport dock Somerset (LPD 25) returned from successful U.S. Navy acceptance sea trials on Sept. 20. The company's ninth ship in the San Antonio (LPD 17) class returned to the company's Avondale facility following three days of at-sea demonstrations and testing.
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Jeff Head

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USS Zumwalt to launch Oct 19

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Navy Times said:
BATH, MAINE — An enormous and technology-laden warship that’s taking shape at Maine’s Bath Iron Works is due to be christened in October.

The shipyard says the event will be held Oct. 19 for the Zumwalt, first of a new class of destroyers that’s the largest ever built for the Navy.

Once derided for expense, at more than $3 billion apiece, the Navy now views the three 600-foot-long ships it plans to build as central to its China strategy, as well as a platform for new technologies.

The big ships feature a new wave-piercing hull, composite deckhouse, electric drive propulsion, advanced sonar, missiles and powerful guns that fire rocket-propelled warheads as far as 100 miles. The Navy says it also could be a platform for futuristic electromagnetic “railguns.”
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Army camouflage update:
conjecture:OCP by default.
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operation enduring freedom camouflage pattern is a derivative of Crye Precision's Multicam pattern. It differs in having slightly darker tones to boost its IR camouflage. Now its current issue for units deploying to Afghanistan.
so why win by default? Well its the new quarter for the US military and as of yet none of the phase IV competing companies have heard from the DOD. However the Army did just finish licensing OCP. Meaning they now have free control over the pattern for procurement as opposed to before when they had to run the buys though Crye.
OCP is roughly a third generation of Multicam. First being the original Scorpion second being commercial Multicam. Now Crye entered what may be a fourth generation in the Phase IV trials it remains to be seen if this pattern is backwards compatible if so perhaps the army will phase the OCP licence into the next generation and then negotiate for woodland and desert at a later date. I would hope them to do that as soon as possible as well as work with crye for a new snow pattern.
 

Jeff Head

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More reporting and pics on the floating of the Gerald R. Ford.

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Naval Matters said:
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. Newport News Shipbuilding began flooding Dry Dock 12 to float the first in class aircraft carrier, Pre-Commissioning Unit Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78).

Susan Ford Bales, the ship’s sponsor started the initial flooding procedure to float the aircraft carrier after spending time in the dry dock inspecting the vessel below the water line.

Great report and pics from Friday's flooding of Dry Dock No. 12 for the USS Gerald R. Ford, CVN-78. The flooding continues as we speak and will check her bouyancy, level, displacement, and some systems which take water in and let it out.
 
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