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So it seems like the Air Force has concluded that the NGAD program should proceed, though it will be up to the incoming Trump administration to determine if they want to continue with the project.

WASHINGTON — A recent internal Air Force analysis supports the development of a manned, next-generation fighter jet, three sources told Breaking Defense — a finding that comes amid a high-profile debate over the future of the multi-billion-dollar
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“Our analysis also highlights that there may be significant opportunity costs associated with proceeding with NGAD, given the DAF’s [Department of the Air Force] strategic priorities and the potential level of Air Force and Space Force budgets. There are a number of interdependencies and alternative options at various risk and resourcing levels which the next administration will have to consider before making a decision. All options remain on the table,” he added.

Will be interesting to see if Trump and co. continue with the project, or decide to go with an alternative path.
 

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So it seems like the Air Force has concluded that the NGAD program should proceed, though it will be up to the incoming Trump administration to determine if they want to continue with the project.





Will be interesting to see if Trump and co. continue with the project, or decide to go with an alternative path.
It's hard to imagine the "Deep State" caving on this.
 

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So it seems like the Air Force has concluded that the NGAD program should proceed, though it will be up to the incoming Trump administration to determine if they want to continue with the project.





Will be interesting to see if Trump and co. continue with the project, or decide to go with an alternative path.

All rests on what congress does with defense budget. For 2024 and 2025, the DoD budget has been capped to a certain amount by law due to the Fiscal Responsibility act which has some of the services, especially the USAF under a lot of budgetary pressure. Now that the cap is gone for 2026, they're waiting to see what congress will do. We should have our answers by March at the latest which is when DoD submits their request for the budget.

But from a bigger POV, US defense spending is near the lowest its ever been, comparable to peace dividend era and will go even lower if nothing changes.

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SlothmanAllen

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But from a bigger POV, US defense spending is near the lowest its ever been, comparable to peace dividend era and will go even lower if nothing changes.

I think you are correct from a percent of GDP perspective, but adjusting for inflation the dollar amount is actually at or near record high.

EDIT: If you were to go back to something like 5% of GDP you would talking about something like $1.3 trillion which would add around another $400 billion to current defense spending.
 

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I think you are correct from a percent of GDP perspective, but adjusting for inflation the dollar amount is actually at or near record high.

EDIT: If you were to go back to something like 5% of GDP you would talking about something like $1.3 trillion which would add around another $400 billion to current defense spending.

GDP growth raises everything, US can afford more now than they could 20 years ago ofc. But I prefer a GDP perspective as it reflects more of the national environment at the time, as in just how much is this amount of defense spending stressing/crowding out other spending in the fiscal budget.

US spending a shit ton during COVID recovery is causing huge interest rate payments and thats crowding out a lot of funding for other things including defense right now. There are some simple policies that can remedy this for a while, but congress, especially the one right now will probably struggle to make such decisive decisions.
 

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China will need to be patient waiting for the USMC's "island-hopping" ships
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The USN buys, operates and sustains these USMC ships out of its own budget:

The USN hasn't forgotten and won't forgive its blighted tactical aircraft future the USMC's F-35B "common airframe" gave them.

With the LSM that is in the same category as the 072A LST but costing more than a 071 LPD, no wonder.
 
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So it seems like the Air Force has concluded that the NGAD program should proceed, though it will be up to the incoming Trump administration to determine if they want to continue with the project.

Will be interesting to see if Trump and co. continue with the project, or decide to go with an alternative path.

They will, especially once something happens to the east of the Longmen Mountains in the coming weeks (if not days).
 

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They will, especially once something happens to the east of the Longmen Mountains in the coming weeks (if not days).

my bet is it would happen around the time of the US inauguration. They might do some flight testing at night so people cant take photo of it.

I like the idea that 6th gen fighter gets released before the bomber. In this situation, the fighter jet can be used to snipe b21, f35 and f22.
 
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I read somewhere logistics are important, even for the USMC in the SCS/ECS
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The [USMC] service is buying both the F-35B, which can take off from a short runway and land vertically, and the F-35C, which was built for Navy carrier operations. The Bravo, the Marine’s primary version of the fifth-generation jet, can land on a 500-foot strip—opening up the number of available operating bases across the Pacific. But landing is just one piece of the puzzle. Several logistics hurdles remain to be worked out before the Marines can actually operate F-35Bs on austere bases.

With no organic logistics support on these bases, the service needs to figure out how the jets will load up on gas and weapons when they land, Schmidt said.

“There's some other non-taking off-and-landing stuff you gotta consider as well, which you can argue with the shorter deployment, we didn't really get a chance to test that,” he said.

Schmidt said the deployment proved that Iwakuni is a viable base for F-35s attached to a MEU, but that was already an established F-35 base, and there’s more work to be done to find other viable bases to move jets forward.

“How do we move the entire squadron off the ship to places in the
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? How do you get that logistics support?” Schmidt said. “If I'm maintaining a base or maintaining a hub or a spoke somewhere other than Iwakuni, now I've got to have support coming to me. So how do we work through that?”
For the USMC in the SCS/ECS the logistics don't work. For the USAF and USN then
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because missiles. Hughes and Tangredi offer their model. Does anyone have another to share with us?
 

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I read somewhere logistics are important, even for the USMC in the SCS/ECS
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For the USMC in the SCS/ECS the logistics don't work. For the USAF and USN then
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because missiles. Hughes and Tangredi offer their model. Does anyone have another to share with us?

As an aside, I read the above article and since it mentions the squadron that was deployed I went and looked up their photos on DVIDS. Totally anecdotal, but it did seem like the F-35’s on that deployment were in excellent condition when pictured throughout the deployment. Again, it’s is easy to hide problems with photos that can be cherry picked, but I thought it was an interesting experiment.
 
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