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This is a US military thread, we like only to discuss military things because that is what we enjoy and some here do, so no politics, however by our post it seems like you do need a answer

I am a Muslim, my religion is Islam, and i am British, born and brought up on the East Coast of Scotland this is my home and this is my country, I see myself as a Scottish-Pakistani, because my parents were from Pakistan and its a country I visit every year, and as many here will tell you, I graduated, did my PhD and now work, not that I'm more educated than the next but there is many more like me, over 1 billion Muslims throughout the world, educated and professional

By your post it seems like your generalising the whole Muslim community and in doing so showing a very narrow mind, the vast vast majority of Muslims are peace loving people, the biggest losers in this terrorism is us, as our name is tarnished by the few rotten apples that get the majority of media attention, does this mean all Christians are bad because few white folks are KKK? Or all Irish are bad because the IRA are Irish? No certainly not

Don't judge majority by actions of the few minority, every basket has some rotten apples, and that is the message you should take from this

Thank you ASIF, I highly respect what you have written, my Dad's Radiologist was a very fine Pakistani Dr. My Dad was very old school, but my Dad came to love and respect his Dr. When my Dad's pain became very difficult, my Dad returned to him, and he very frankly told my Dad I can help your pain, but it will ultimately exascerbate your cancer, my Dad elected to have the palliative radiation. Several years later on of my Hospice patients who was my age was having some rather severe pain that we were having difficulty dealing with, we had him on a morphine pump, with a bolus, Paul's Indian Dr. referred him to my Dad's Dr., who was once again able to malliate Pauls pain. Although our for profit Hospice did not want to pay for Pauls treatment, both of these fine Drs. consulted with our medical director who ultimately approved the treatment for Paul.

You are quite correct that judging a majority for the actions of a few trouble makers is not only patently unfair, but will more than likely alienate people who just want respect, my very sincere and personal apologies for the way this current regime has treated your native people and your government, I deplore the idea of drone strikes in your country, as much as I deplore the drone operations in the US. This government has shown a distinct lack of respect of all men of Faith, and shown us to be very shallow bigots, for all the criticism Mr. Bush received he was very carefull not to condemn all Muslims, as he prosecuted the war on terror.

As a Christian Pastor, I have been very sorrowfull for often shamefull lack of respect we have shown others, your bold statement of faith and good will stands as one of the finest moments of the Sino Defense forum, and the real reason I enjoy my participation here and consider you all my brothers, your candor and strong statement of good will make me very proud, and give us all hope. Good Show all around, and happy to see you fly your flag with integrity. Brat
 

Jeff Head

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And I'm saying modern technologies like Internet and cell phones are ideologically neutral , you could use them and still believe in whatever you want . For example , many of the 9/11 attackers were highly educated , lived in the West and yet they were what they were . Same could be said for Tsarnaev brothers , even for Osama bin Laden .
Yes...I agree that they are neutral...and as I said, can be used for good or ill.

But to say they are meaningless, IMHO, is not accurate. Such things can also enrich life, and allow people to be educated and communicate beyond what they would otherwise do...so in that since they are very important to the people who would want to improve their lot in life and progress...even if others use them for ill.
 

thunderchief

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@asif iqbal This is neither topic or forum to discuss religion , so I will answer you with private message .

Yes...I agree that they are neutral...and as I said, can be used for good or ill.

But to say they are meaningless, IMHO, is not accurate. Such things can also enrich life, and allow people to be educated and communicate beyond what they would otherwise do...so in that since they are very important to the people who would want to improve their lot in life and progress...even if others use them for ill.

All I'm saying is that communication (and education) are not good things by their nature . Instead it depends on substance : what do you communicate and what do you educate others . So , I agree , modern technology is just a tool , it could be used for good things and bad things .
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Thank you ASIF, I highly respect what you have written, my Dad's Radiologist was a very fine Pakistani Dr. My Dad was very old school, but my Dad came to love and respect his Dr. When my Dad's pain became very difficult, my Dad returned to him, and he very frankly told my Dad I can help your pain, but it will ultimately exascerbate your cancer, my Dad elected to have the palliative radiation. Several years later on of my Hospice patients who was my age was having some rather severe pain that we were having difficulty dealing with, we had him on a morphine pump, with a bolus, Paul's Indian Dr. referred him to my Dad's Dr., who was once again able to malliate Pauls pain. Although our for profit Hospice did not want to pay for Pauls treatment, both of these fine Drs. consulted with our medical director who ultimately approved the treatment for Paul.

You are quite correct that judging a majority for the actions of a few trouble makers is not only patently unfair, but will more than likely alienate people who just want respect, my very sincere and personal apologies for the way this current regime has treated your native people and your government, I deplore the idea of drone strikes in your country, as much as I deplore the drone operations in the US. This government has shown a distinct lack of respect of all men of Faith, and shown us to be very shallow bigots, for all the criticism Mr. Bush received he was very carefull not to condemn all Muslims, as he prosecuted the war on terror.

As a Christian Pastor, I have been very sorrowfull for often shamefull lack of respect we have shown others, your bold statement of faith and good will stands as one of the finest moments of the Sino Defense forum, and the real reason I enjoy my participation here and consider you all my brothers, your candor and strong statement of good will make me very proud, and give us all hope. Good Show all around, and happy to see you fly your flag with integrity. Brat

Thank you sir, we have lived side by side for centuries and millennium, let's not allow small distractions to disrupt our focus, we all have ups and downs
 

Franklin

Captain
Well , Taliban use cell phones to detonate IEDs and Internet to spread propaganda ;) Seriously , that doesn't mean a thing . My own personal prediction about the future of Afghanistan : there would be major cities and roads controlled by central government and "tribal lands" controlled by Taliban . I don't think there would be Fall of Kabul like in 1992. , primarily because Mujahedin coalition at the time had support of both Pakistan and US to overthrow Najibullah government , and there is none for Taliban now .

The major cities controlled by the central government ? If you mean the current Karzai government then you maybe too optimistic. Karzai came with the foreign troops and he will leave with the foreign troops. BTW Iraq these days is sliding back into civil war and the Americans payed even a much higher price for that war. And there is no intention or any way on part of the Americans and the international community to stop that. Once the international forces leave Afghanistan then the place will fall apart again. But as i understand there won't be a complete withdraw from Afghanistan after 2014 and there will be a residue force of about anywhere between 3000 to perhabs 24000 US soldiers remaining in Afghanistan till 2024.

P.S. Karzai may not want to leave either. ;)

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The major cities controlled by the central government ? If you mean the current Karzai government then you maybe too optimistic. Karzai came with the foreign troops and he will leave with the foreign troops. BTW Iraq these days is sliding back into civil war and the Americans payed even a much higher price for that war. And there is no intention or any way on part of the Americans and the international community to stop that. Once the international forces leave Afghanistan then the place will fall apart again. But as i understand there won't be a complete withdraw from Afghanistan after 2014 and there will be a residue force of about anywhere between 3000 to perhabs 24000 US soldiers remaining in Afghanistan till 2024.

P.S. Karzai may not want to leave either. ;)

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Well , I don't think Karzai government would give up so easily . It's not just him , there are other people with vested interests , and as you mentioned there is still money flowing ... ;) Main problem for the central government is Afghan Army - corrupt , with low morale and composed mostly from people who got there to earn some cash . Such an army would not fight with determination . Worse , with foreign funds drying up it may split up between various warlords and start racketeering local populace to sustain itself . Still , I think they would at least formally stay loyal to central government to avoid international scrutiny . Although , I don't think they would be willing to fight Taliban . More likely some kind of agreement will be reached about splitting the influence .
 

delft

Brigadier
Well , I don't think Karzai government would give up so easily . It's not just him , there are other people with vested interests , and as you mentioned there is still money flowing ... ;) Main problem for the central government is Afghan Army - corrupt , with low morale and composed mostly from people who got there to earn some cash . Such an army would not fight with determination . Worse , with foreign funds drying up it may split up between various warlords and start racketeering local populace to sustain itself . Still , I think they would at least formally stay loyal to central government to avoid international scrutiny . Although , I don't think they would be willing to fight Taliban . More likely some kind of agreement will be reached about splitting the influence .
The main problem for the central government is that it is itself corrupt.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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The main problem for the central government is that it is itself corrupt.

In the same vein: News Flash!!! DOD has begun the RIF of all MEN in US uniform!!!! in order to prevent any further sexual assaults ALL MEN are being RIFFED from USAF to be replaced by EUNUCHs and WOMEN. OH Yeah, all Eunuchs and Women are being immediately promoted to General and ALL aircraft are being converted to DRONES! NO PILOTS WANTED OR NEEDED! OBAMA and HAGEL say it has worked well for them???? STOP---THAT IS ALL! Brat
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Down Brat....

The Future of Special Operations: Lawrence of Arabia, Kim, & 007
By SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR. on May 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM
WASHINGTON: The future of Special Operations Forces may look less like Zero Dark Thirty and more like Lawrence of Arabia or Rudyard Kipling’s Kim – with just a dash of 007. It’s a future that builds on the last ten years of raids and advisor missions, then adds solo operators in foreign lands, proxy wars with nuclear-armed rogue states, and stealth aircraft infiltrating commando teams to sabotage high-tech defenses.



That’s the vision from the influential Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments which rolled out a study on the future of SOF, “Beyond the Ramparts,” this morning. CSBA is arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank, and its briefing in Congress’s Rayburn Office Building was headlined by House Armed Services Vice-Chairman Mac Thornberry, who’s pushed for new legal authorities for SOF, and Garry Reid, deputy to Michael Sheehan, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and low Intensity Conflict. The meat of the presentation, though, came in co-authors Jim Thomas’ and Chris Dougherty’s distillation of their 144-page report.



What’s counterintuitive about Special Operations nowadays is how much its biggest backers try to deglamorize it and even make it a little boring. (Hint: It’s not). Admittedly, in real life, as opposed to movies, a lot of special ops is long slogs through the dust to distant villages, whether to gather intelligence on a “high value target” or to train local militia. It’s not all jumping out of helicopters and kicking down doors. (Unless you’re an Army Ranger: Those are generally younger, less experienced commandos with less language and culture training who spend almost all their time on “kinetic” missions, which they think is awesome).



So Special Operations Command chief Adm. William McRaven, who oversaw the raid that got Bin Laden and is himself a Navy SEAL, likes to talk of SOF rebalancing, reducing the last decades’ emphasis on strike missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, and instead reemphasizing its traditional training and advising role around the world, although SOF has always done a lot of both. McRaven’s top priorities are strengthening the regional SOF headquarters known as “Theater Special Operations Commands” – which some insiders see as a power grab at the expense of conventional-force commanders – and building relationships with friendly special operators from Colombia to Poland to Australia.



McRaven’s personal favorite pundit, Linda Robinson, adds a recommendation of more personnel management authority for SOCOM. Mac Thornberry and HASC’s top Democrat, Adam Smith, are examining new, streamlined legal authorities for worldwide special ops beyond the patchwork of narrowly focused powers created after 9/11. And all the services, both special and conventional, are looking hard at “counter-WMD,” the high-stakes task of securing weapons of mass destruction in failing states, from Syrian chemicals to, potentially, Pakistani or North Korean nukes.



CSBA’s study, “Beyond the Ramparts,” reiterated most of these important, sober recommendations, but it added some intriguing wrinkles of its own. It agrees Special Operators need to emphasize training and advising friendly forces to fight al-Qaeda spin-offs, narco-terrorists, and the like. But it adds they must also “regain their readiness for major wars” against sophisticated nation-states such as China or, to a lesser degree, Iran, whose multi-layered “anti-access/area denial” networks of sensors and long-range missiles will keep conventional forces at bay – at least until cyber-attacks and SOF infiltrators can sabotage the A2/AD system. This is where those stealth transports come in, as well as “identity-masking technologies” to deceive biometric scanners that compare an individual’s facial features to a database of suspects.



What’s more, CSBA predicts that as A2/AD defenses proliferate, as well as nuclear weapons, regional powers will stalemate the U.S. and one another in the conventional arena. That stalemate, they said, will displace head-on conflict into a new era of proxy warfare. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and Quds force, the authors noted, are arguably doing this already with their support for the Mahdi Army in Iraq and Hezbollah in Lebanon.



In an endearing display of nerdity, lead author Jim Thomas’s choice of historical analogy was not how nuclear-armed superpowers resorted to proxy conflicts during the Cold War but how Great Britain and France spent much of their effort fighting in their far-flung colonies, not in Europe, during the Seven Years’ War – which most Americans know as the French and Indian War anyway. His second analogy was the 19th century “Great Game” between the British and Russian Empires in the regions now known as Afghanistan and Pakistan, the setting of Rudyard Kipling’s Kim.



In remote regions beyond either Russian or British ability to project large conventional forces, open and covert agents dueled for influence over local potentates. That conflict required highly independent operators with the linguistic and cultural skills to immerse themselves among a foreign people for years. Translated from the Great Game into modern terms, said Thomas, that requires SOF to be able operate in “very small teams, smaller than an Operational Detachment-Alpha,” the 12-man unit, aka an A-Team, that is the traditional building block of Special Operations.



Potentially, Thomas said, you could go “down to single operators of the T.E. Lawrence/Lawrence of Arabia variety, where one man or one woman parked in one location can persistently engage and have a strategic impact,” mobilizing or assistance local forces to assist America’s strategic aims, much as Lawrence aided the Arab Revolt against Britain’s enemy, Ottoman Turkey.



Such operations require a new breed of special operator. “It’s not someone with a different haircut,” Thomas said. “It’s coming up with essentially a new career plan for them, where the goal may not be a group command in either the SEAL or the Special Forces community… It could be spending most of their military career devoted to a single country….going back again and again.”



“Until recently, this would have been considered a career killer,” Thomas noted: The force will need new incentives and promotion criteria to make it work.



Finally, he said, Special Operations will need to recruit differently, including from first-generation immigrants who know the language and culture of their home country. Today, he said, SOF are “overwhelmingly Caucasian and almost exclusively male.” They don’t blend in a lot of places. To prepare for a new era, Special Operations needs to take full advantage of America’s diversity.
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It Sounds like they are placing the Emphasis on Green Berets.

Carbine competition may be killed
By Lance M. Bacon Staff writer
May 10
armytimes.com
The $50 million competition to build a better carbine is on its way to being canceled.

The decision is not yet official, but Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno on Tuesday said word is coming soon. He was hesitant to elaborate, but did take the opportunity to salute the venerable M4 carbine that would have been replaced.

“My position on the M4 [is] we’ve modernized it and it’s a great system,” he said. “I feel very comfortable with the M4. Very comfortable. I think it’s a great system. We’ve made like 95 improvements with it, we’ve improved ammunition, I feel very good about it.”

The Army is moving forward with efforts to pure-fleet its M4 inventory with the ambidextrous M4A1, which has a better barrel and bolt. A reprogramming proposal will see $7 million, or one-fourth the budgeted total, cut from that effort this year. That money is part of larger cuts designed to help cover a $7.8 billion shortfall in emerging overseas contingency operations.

The pending cancellation does not come as a surprise to at least one industry official whose company had a weapon in the competition.

“You had a number of things going against this competition,” the industry official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity since “he would like to get contracts in the future.”

“The requirements didn’t do it any justice. There are carbines better than an upgraded M4 out there, but the requirements practically cut out any chance of exceeding that standard. And the budget situation put the final nail in the coffin.”

Indeed, the burdensome rules led some key competitors to drop out early. Colt stayed in, but pulled its next-generation CM901. The weapon fires 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds with a cyclic rate of 700 to 950 rounds per minute. A free-floating barrel helps maintain tight accuracy. It also boasts a universal 7.62mm lower receiver and multiple barrel lengths. But the Army, in a move that shocked industry, neither required nor provided points for multiple calibers or barrel lengths. All weapons enter as one caliber with one barrel length.

But what discouraged Colt most was an Army requirement that the winner turn over technical data rights. The service will distribute the blueprints to two other companies that will each produce one-third of the weapons purchased. Colt was not willing the reveal its trade secrets. The company instead entered the Enhanced M4.

Smith and Wesson's M&P 4 is another strong competitor that backed out for financial reasons. Company officials said at the time that they were confident they had a shot at the contract. But research and development cost a chunk of change, and the competition is drawn out over three years with no guarantee of payoff. Smith and Wesson decided the better financial strategy would be to focus on existing sales and walk away from the carbine competition.

Some smaller companies with strong carbines also sat this one out, such as Stag Arms, LWRC International and Knight Armament.

Army officials cited legal reasons for the decision to not identify competitors. Army Times had confirmed that, in addition to Colt, competitors included the B.E.A.R. by Adcor Defense, SCAR by FNH, the Adaptive Combat Rifle by Remington and an improved HK416 variant from Heckler & Koch.

The HK416, developed for special operations forces, uses a gas-piston system but does not introduce propellant gases and carbon fouling into the weapon's interior. This reliability was evident in a 60,000-round dust test conducted by the Army in 2007.

The HK416 had only 233 stoppages as compared with 882 stoppages by the M4. The Army later modified the M4's numbers to 296 stoppages, attributing the difference to discrepancies in the test and scoring.

The SCAR performed better, with only 226 stoppages. But the top dog was the XM8 — a prototype built by H&K that seemed destined to replace the M4 in 2005. Instead, the $33 million program fell prey to a broken acquisition process and bitter infighting within the Army until the Pentagon put a halt to the heir-apparent.

The XM8 included a 20mm airburst weapon, which today is the XM25 "Punisher" that is gaining rave reviews in Afghanistan.

The carbine competition was in the second of three phases, in which about 86,000 rounds was to be fired through each vendor's weapon in an effort to measure reliability, durability and accuracy.

As many as three finalists were to be announced by early spring. The subsequent Phase 3 was to focus on technical testing with an additional 180,000 rounds per vendor fired. Also, soldiers were to get a chance to try out the carbines for limited-user evaluations.

The winning carbine was to be announced in fall 2013. A cost-benefit analysis was scheduled to follow that would determine whether the Army would be better off buying the winning carbine or sticking with the M4A1, which was being tested alongside the carbine competitors.
And in 4 years It will be back again... Let's just get it over with already! PICK ONE ANNOUNCE IT IN JUNE WITH THE NEW CAMO!


I feel better now.
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Air Force Brat

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It Sounds like they are placing the Emphasis on Green Berets.


And in 4 years It will be back again... Let's just get it over with already! PICK ONE ANNOUNCE IT IN JUNE WITH THE NEW CAMO!


I feel better now.
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Lots of solutions for a problem that doesn't exist, the M4 remains very good at what it does, no need to be different, all firearms have concerns that must be worked around, the AR remains a very flexible platform to launch the 5.56 projectile. In fact after selling my old one, I just replaced it with a flat top, its number one because it works, its simple, and its very accurate,,,,,, the other stuff if just that, stuff maybe as good, but not appreciably superior! Eugene Stoner was a visionary, his design and execution sound and workable, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Brat
 
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