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SlothmanAllen said:
Found an excellent substack piece on why the United States continues to fail at shipbuilding (and has actually never been good at shipbuilding).

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I hate over quoting an article, but there are just so many good peices of information contained in this peice. I highly recommend you check it out as the author clearly put a lot of work into documenting the trials and tribulations of the US shipbuilding industry.

I think it makes a strong case that the US should be looking to its foreign allies to help with surface warfare\supply ship shipbuilding. The current US naval industry can be turned towards submarine and aircraft carrier production which I think is more specialized and likely doesn't have much overlap with surface construction.
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I saw from some other poster that American workers were magically 4 times more productive than any other workers in the world including China. I think the solution is just hiring 1000 more people and like you can get all those Constellation FFGs rolling off the line in no time.

Jokes aside, tl:dr version: Politics.

Do you think you can be the President that can convince the people that USN ships should be built in Japan, Korea, or Italy? It's as simple as that.
 
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SlothmanAllen said:
I hate over quoting an article, but there are just so many good peices of information contained in this peice. I highly recommend you check it out as the author clearly put a lot of work into documenting the trials and tribulations of the US shipbuilding industry.

I think it makes a strong case that the US should be looking to its foreign allies to help with surface warfare\supply ship shipbuilding. The current US naval industry can be turned towards submarine and aircraft carrier production which I think is more specialized and likely doesn't have much overlap with surface construction.
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Your last quote is just hilarious honestly.

Great blog post, makes me sad to see it cross-posted to Noahpinion. Noah's work has declined so much in the last two years, it's quite shocking honestly.
 
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Do you think you can be the President that can convince the people that USN ships should be built in Japan, Korea, or Italy? It's as simple as that.
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Who knows? I bet there are as many legal obstacles as there are political. Is surface shipbuilding really an important industry to the United States? The article I linked seems to make the argument that it is not nor has it even been.

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Your last quote is just hilarious honestly.

Great blog post, makes me sad to see it cross-posted to Noahpinion. Noah's work has declined so much in the last two years, it's quite shocking honestly.
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I don't know anything about Noahpinion.

I think that final quote brings some other questions as well. If military ships are so difficult to produce, why couldn't Ingalls and Bath convert to producing commercial ships? Are US naval vessels being built to a good quality standard?
 
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supersnoop said:
I saw from some other poster that American workers were magically 4 times more productive than any other workers in the world including China. I think the solution is just hiring 1000 more people and like you can get all those Constellation FFGs rolling off the line in no time.

Jokes aside, tl:dr version: Politics.

Do you think you can be the President that can convince the people that USN ships should be built in Japan, Korea, or Italy? It's as simple as that.
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... and the USNS Wally Schirra (T-AKE-8 - Lewis and Clark class dry cargo ship) arrived Geoje shipyard on September 2nd for a regular overhaul.

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No word on how long this is expected to take.

After Secretary of the U.S. Navy Carlos Del Toro spent time touring both Japanese and South Korean shipyards recently you had to expect something like this was coming.

In other news, Hermeus announced their groundbreaking on a new hypersonic test facility that is going to build out in six phases. The facility will be called the High Enthalpy Air-Breathing Test Facility (HEAT) and is located in Jacksonville, FL.

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supersnoop said:
Do you think you can be the President that can convince the people that USN ships should be built in Japan, Korea, or Italy? It's as simple as that.
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Never going to happen. US law forbids your suggestion.

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"Code § 8679 - Construction of vessels in foreign shipyards: prohibition. Except as provided in subsection (b), no vessel to be constructed for any of the armed forces, and no major component of the hull or superstructure of any such vessel, may be constructed in a foreign shipyard."
 
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Never going to happen. US law forbids your suggestion.

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"Code § 8679 - Construction of vessels in foreign shipyards: prohibition. Except as provided in subsection (b), no vessel to be constructed for any of the armed forces, and no major component of the hull or superstructure of any such vessel, may be constructed in a foreign shipyard."
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That’s my point, laws can be changed, but I doubt anyone could realistically have the political capital to make that happen. Overhauls are one thing, new construction is something else.

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lthink that final quote brings some other questions as well. If military ships are so difficult to produce, why couldn't Ingalls and Bath convert to producing commercial ships? Are US naval vessels being built to a good quality standard?
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I don’t think quality is an issue. It’s just a case of civilian shipbuilding and military shipbuilding having diverged too greatly. Just like the big automakers used to own their defence divisions, but have all sold them off. There is not much overlap. It’s not like you can go from designing a hatchback one month and a tank on another. Another example, China was building a lot of container ships and new class navy ships in the last 15 years, but a modern cruise ship only recently.
 
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Piasecki Aircraft Corporation’s Aerial Reconfigurable Embedded System Demonstration Vehicle (ARES-DV) has completed some tethered tests with an Army’s Mobile Multiple Mission Module (M4). The M4 was designed to carry a wide variety of payloads from CASEVAC to general supplies.

Not much is known regarding the specifications of ARES-DV or if it will ever find a program of record. Interesting to see a ducted fan unmanned VTOL though! Hopefully Piasecki can continue to get funds to continue with the effort.

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