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aahyan

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US Air Force Chief Hints at Existence Of Clandestine Spy Aircraft​


Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall has hinted at the existence of a new intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) platform, something that has long been a topic of discussion around the future of U.S. Air Force capabilities. Frequently, such a platform has been understood as a very stealthy, long-range, high-altitude surveillance drone commonly
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, although there are other possibilities, too, and even an RQ-180 would only be one facet in a larger constellation of next-generation ISR systems.

A notional rendering of what the high- and long-flying RQ-180 stealth drone might look like appears at the top of this story. While it has been widely posited that the RQ-180, or at least progenitors of it, have
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and may be operational at least in small numbers and to a limited degree, there is no guarantee that such a system continues to receive the Air Force’s backing. This is especially true as space-based distributed constellations are quickly gaining favor throughout the DoD. These are highly resilient to attacks and offer persistent surveillance of target areas that was unheard of in past low earth orbit-based sensing systems. In fact, one program for this kind of capability is deep in development now and it
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a notional RQ-180 would likely be tasked with doing. In other words, just because an RQ-180-like aircraft exists, it doesn’t mean its future is guaranteed.

Speaking at a roundtable event on Sunday, just before the opening of the Farnborough International Airshow in England, Kendall was responding to a question from Chris Pocock, a long-time aviation journalist, author, and expert on the
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. Pocock was asking the Air Force chief about plans for the airborne ISR layer
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and
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are withdrawn — moves that will follow the previous retirement of the E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (
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).

“What is that airborne layer? You’re retiring JSTARS, you’re retiring the U-2, you’re retiring Global Hawk,” Pocock said.

Kendall’s response was intriguing, describing that future ISR layer as “a combination of things.”

“I mentioned
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at the beginning of the conversation,” Kendall continued. “That’s part of that layer. So, we’re making progress on that, as I said before. We’re retaining some of the [
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] AWACSs, for example, to help transition smoothly over to a combination of … space-based capabilities and new systems like the E-7. So there’s a mix of systems in there, some of which there’s not much I can say about them.”

At least one of the systems that the Secretary of the Air Force cannot say much about is likely the aforementioned ‘RQ-180.’

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gelgoog

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It is hardly surprising that they would have developed a replacement for the RQ-170.

As for the E-7 it seems to be bad enough that you have policians wanting to cancel it in favor of the E-2D.
I have my doubts about space based systems. Given that EM waves decrease in power with the square of the distance.
You would need a huge low orbit satellite network. The satellites would need to have huge power generation. And you would need a lot of them.
 

Totoro

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Satellites and launches have already gotten cheap enough that having dozens of radar based satellites added per year to a low orbit is not an issue. Commercial operators like ice eye have tiny sats which still manage close to 0.5m resolution radar imagery.

Radar based tracking is not the future, it is basically already here.
 

gpt

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Launch of USSF-51, likely a military comms sat, to geostationary orbit
Final launch of Atlas V 551 for national security missions. Rest will be Starliner and Amazon's Project Kuiper.
 

SlothmanAllen

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So NGAD source selection is officially on pause! Really interested to read and hear theories about what is driving this? Is the Sentinal budget eating up too many Air Force resources to pursue a next gen aircraft at this time. Did the threat picture change along with developments in technology make previous assumptions dubious? Is it a mix of those and other things?

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Speaking at the Life Cycle Industry Days conference in Dayton, Ohio, Kendall
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that the pause of several months in the NGAD program was needed “to figure out whether we’ve got the right design and make sure we’re on the right course.” Refuting recent
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of the program, the Secretary of the Air Force reiterated: “I’m absolutely confident we’re still going to do a sixth-generation crewed aircraft.”
Kendall described the NGAD program as being at the pivotal stage when “you really have your last chance to think very carefully about, ‘Have I really got the right design here? Is this the right concept? Is it the right operational concept? Is it the right program concept, design concept?’”

It’s interesting that Northrop dropped out of the competition a while back. I wonder if they looked at the requirements and decided to wait and see?
 

TK3600

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So NGAD source selection is officially on pause! Really interested to read and hear theories about what is driving this? Is the Sentinal budget eating up too many Air Force resources to pursue a next gen aircraft at this time. Did the threat picture change along with developments in technology make previous assumptions dubious? Is it a mix of those and other things?

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It’s interesting that Northrop dropped out of the competition a while back. I wonder if they looked at the requirements and decided to wait and see?
If I were to guess, using their linguo "they were paused indefinitely in favor of matured platform and off the shelf options to ensure maximum readiness in the near future". By that I mean to serve the zionist masters in middle east of course. Long term planning be damned.
 

gelgoog

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The US has basically killed Aerojet's solid rockets division. It is reliant on a single source i.e. Thiokol now part of Northrop Grumman to make its solid rockets. Demand for solid rockets is also much lower. If previously Thiokol could rely on a steady income source from the side boosters used in the Space Shuttle, Delta IV, and later the Atlas V rockets, right now with SpaceX dominating space launch there is little need for solids there. SpaceX uses all liquid rockets.

There were also no new ICBM or SLBM designs for like three decades. That is enough for staff to retire. If you were 40 you are now 70. Even people in their 20s would be in their 50s.

The whole sector has atrophied and this is why you see so many delays and failures related to solid rockets. All the way from US hypersonic projects, to now the Sentinel.
 

gpt

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The whole sector has atrophied and this is why you see so many delays and failures related to solid rockets. All the way from US hypersonic projects, to now the Sentinel.

The continuing loss of capacity in the solids industry is an ongoing concern in the Pentagon. Lack of appropriate solid motors has been identified as the primary cost driver/bottleneck as I've stated many times here and finally in the lastest GAO report:
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So they're worried that if Aerojet doesn't get enough large SRM business, they'll get out of that line of work altogether and be reduced to tactical missiles only, which would leave the Pentagon at the mercy of a single large SRM supplier (NG) who would effectively have a monopoly in the same way ULA had a monopoly before SpaceX elbowed in.

How to preserve large SRM production infrastructure and knowledge base during a long down-time before the next large ICBM procurement is a vexing issue indeed.

That's why many SRM startups have popped up recently. One was acquired by Anduril and another interesting one I found is
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, interestingly full of SpaceX Starshield people as well as 'Trump's hypersonics guy', Michael Griffin.
Griffin's idea for hypersonics is to find one or two companies that can 'SpaceX-ify' the industry because they are very far behind at this point.
 
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