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RobertC

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The aim was to use an existing hull design. What alternative was there? The LCS hull’s? The Burke class? It would have been the same. A new hull? That would have cost even more. Catch 22.
Failure is failure. The alternative was to use an existing, production-proven with logistics and training in place, hull design. The USN failed in this task and the result is the failed Constellation acquisition program.

BTW my choice was Spain's F100 which already had Aegis, the USN's core combat system also globally deployed by Japanese, South Korean, Australian and Norwegian navies providing international interoperability for both systems and personnel.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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F100would have had the integration yes but no guarantee that the program would not have had the same problems in production as the ships would have had to be built in the United States.
 

RobertC

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... the ships would have had to be built in the United States.
Outstanding observation! I totally agree this outdated Congressional restriction has hampered the USN's ability to rapidly introduce new warships with all their technology and other benefits. Thank you.

My reading of history is USN leadership didn't even try to ask Congress for an exemption to have the foreign builder produce even one ship, much less the three needed for technology/knowledge transfer, crew training and TTP development. And greatly improved international military and industry relationships.
 

bd popeye

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Houthis Claim Strike on American Aircraft Carrier

Simply not true


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The Houthis' claim that they struck a US aircraft carrier in the Red Sea with missiles is untrue, according to a US defense official.

The missile attack on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower was alleged by the Iranian-backed military group's spokesperson Yahya Saree on Friday. Saree claimed the ship was targeted in response to US and UK strikes in Yemen on Thursday.

Thursday's US and UK strikes on Houthi forces appear to have been costly. Saree said that 16 people were killed and 41 wounded in those attacks, which successfully destroyed eight uncrewed aerial vehicles and hit 13 other targets in Houthi-controlled Yemen.

In response, the Houthis said, they launched missiles at the Eisenhower.

But a defense official told Business Insider the reports of the Eisenhower being hit were false, and that they were unaware that missiles had even been fired at the flattop or in its vicinity.

The carrier strike group can track incoming threats like missiles that are a few hundred miles away. The Ike has run flight operations from the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, which is at a greater remove from Houthi missiles.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Outstanding observation! I totally agree this outdated Congressional restriction has hampered the USN's ability to rapidly introduce new warships with all their technology and other benefits. Thank you.

My reading of history is USN leadership didn't even try to ask Congress for an exemption to have the foreign builder produce even one ship, much less the three needed for technology/knowledge transfer, crew training and TTP development. And greatly improved international military and industry relationships.
Here is the deal. The USN wanted to join the Type 26 program with the Brits. Congress said no. They dictated a design and pushed for what would make it FREMM. However the USN’s requirements meant that they basically had to do a clean sheet.
It was congress who created this. Also Why should the U.S.N. Need to buy a foreign built ship? Especially if said ship doesn’t meet the requirements? The USN order alone would be enough to keep the existing lines jammed up for the next decade. Yet it’s just as easy that the USN could order more.
This is the same argument I heard endlessly around the KC45. “Oh A330MRTT doesn’t have that problem…” except it wasn’t A330 MRTT the US requirements are different. In the case of Constellation those include survivability requirements that FREMM doesn’t meet. We wavered all kinds of things on the LCS and everyone picked on those.
Finally the F100 uses a different radar set than the SPY 6 intended for the Constellation. So it still would have gone through this.
“Oh but why not just have Europe do it” because the U.S. orders alone often are a one to one vs the European ones.
 

Soldier30

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The Mesquite military plant in the United States will supply shells to Ukraine. The first video from the new US military plant in Mesquite, Texas. The plant is run by General Dynamics but owned by the Pentagon. The plant is designed to produce metal shell shells with calibers from 60 mm to 155 mm. The Universal Artillery Projectile Lines (UAPL) plant has a high degree of automation and is capable of producing up to 30,000 155 mm artillery shells per month. Some of the shells are planned to be sent to Ukraine. The shells will be filled with explosives at a military plant in Burlington, Indiana. Currently, metal shell casings in the United States are produced at two plants in Pennsylvania; they produce 36 thousand units of shells per month. We have already shown one of the military factories. By 2025, the United States plans to produce up to 100 thousand 155-caliber shells every month. It also became known that the United States initiated negotiations with Turkey on increasing purchases of Turkish-made TNT for use as an explosive filler in American-made ammunition.

 
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