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The navy is issueing a multi-year contract for P-8 aircraft. Up to 72 may be purchased in the next years up tp the end of the decade. In conjunction with about 60 MQ-4C they'll form the long range survaillance, recce and patrol capability of the USN.

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US Navy moves to purchase up to 72 Boeing P-8s
By: Zach Rosenberg Washington DC - 04:11 27 Dec 2012

The US Navy has initiated a process that could lead to placing a five-year order for up to 72 Boeing P-8A Poseidon, if the Department of Defense and Congress grants a multi-year procurement (MYP) authority.

An acquisition notice released on 21 December seeks to transition the P-8A acquisition programme from annual purchases to an MYP format over the last five years of production from Fiscal 2015-19.

The US military services normally acquire aircraft in annual lots, but can ask for multi-year authority if certain conditions are met. The Department of Defense often requires a minimum 10% discount on price and a stable production system in exchange for making a multi-year commitment.

Boeing delivered the first of 117 production P-8As to the US Navy on 4 March ahead of standing up the first operational unit by the end of next year.

The P-8A, based on the commercial 737-800ERX, is due to replace the Navy's aging Lockheed P-3s for maritime surveillance and anti-submarine warfare. The aircraft will work closely with about 60 Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Tritons, unmanned aircraft that will be used to identify and guide the armed P-8As to the target. ...
 

asif iqbal

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General Dynamics Wins $2Bn for the US' Ohio Replacement and UK's Successor Programs

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Anyone know how many new SSBN will replace Ohio? Another 18?

It's unbelievable how expensive SSBN can get, the MOD has set aside between £15-20 billion for just 3-4 replacements for Vanguard Class SSBN

That's enough for 4-5 Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers!!!!! Maybe even 6-8 if the unit price goes down
 

Jeff Head

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The navy is issueing a multi-year contract for P-8 aircraft. Up to 72 may be purchased in the next years up tp the end of the decade. In conjunction with about 60 MQ-4C they'll form the long range survaillance, recce and patrol capability of the USN.
The MQ-4C is going to be like a global hawk on steroids. The 70 of them will be stationed around the world and run 24x7 long endurance missions doing surveillance, signals gathering, assist in targeting or BDA when necessary, etc. They will augment the 120 or so P-8 Posideon aircraft being purchased.

They are going to provide a whole lot of the type of C4 necessary to givel global awareness to US military forces around the world from a maritime perspective.

The first should be in service in the 2015 time frame.


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A very critical component of the US's future network centric warfare. The F-35s, P-8s, E-2Ds, even the X47Bs and of course the vessels and bases will all tie into them, either through sat coverage, or if that goes down, through a network they can establish themselves. Great stuff.
 
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ManilaBoy45

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President Signs Sequestration Delay, Pentagon Policy Bill
Jan. 3, 2013 - 07:59AM | By JOHN T. BENNETT


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The White House also shipped to Hawaii a copy of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which it had threatened Obama would veto over terrorist detainee language. Obama physically signed the NDAA, according to a White House pool report.

The policy bill clears the Pentagon to spend $633 billion on aircraft, ships and vehicles. Notably, the NDAA clears the Pentagon to enter into multiyear procurement deals on several programs, including for Army CH-47 helicopters, Navy DDG-51 destroyers and V-22 tiltrotor aircraft.
 

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A commentary from the New York Times:
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OP-ED COLUMNIST
Why Hagel Was Picked
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: January 7, 2013

Americans don’t particularly like government, but they do want government to subsidize their health care. They believe that health care spending improves their lives more than any other public good. In a Quinnipiac poll, typical of many others, Americans opposed any cuts to Medicare by a margin of 70 percent to 25 percent.
In a democracy, voters get what they want, so the line tracing federal health care spending looks like the slope of a jet taking off from LaGuardia. Medicare spending is set to nearly double over the next decade. This is the crucial element driving all federal spending over the next few decades and pushing federal debt to about 250 percent of G.D.P. in 30 years.

There are no conceivable tax increases that can keep up with this spending rise. The Democrats had their best chance in a generation to raise revenue just now, and all they got was a measly $600 billion over 10 years. This is barely a wiggle on the revenue line and does nothing to change the overall fiscal picture.

As a result, health care spending, which people really appreciate, is squeezing out all other spending, which they value far less. Spending on domestic programs — for education, science, infrastructure and poverty relief — has already faced the squeeze and will take a huge hit in the years ahead. President Obama excoriated Paul Ryan for offering a budget that would cut spending on domestic programs from its historical norm of 3 or 4 percent of G.D.P. all the way back to 1.8 percent. But the Obama budget is the Ryan budget. According to the Office of Management and Budget, Obama will cut domestic discretionary spending back to 1.8 percent of G.D.P. in six years.

Advocates for children, education and the poor don’t even try to defend their programs by lobbying for cutbacks in Medicare. They know that given the choice, voters and politicians care more about middle-class seniors than about poor children.

So far, defense budgets have not been squeezed by the Medicare vice. But that is about to change. Oswald Spengler didn’t get much right, but he was certainly correct when he told European leaders that they could either be global military powers or pay for their welfare states, but they couldn’t do both.

Europeans, who are ahead of us in confronting that decision, have chosen welfare over global power. European nations can no longer perform many elemental tasks of moving troops and fighting. As late as the 1990s, Europeans were still spending 2.5 percent of G.D.P. on defense. Now that spending is closer to 1.5 percent, and, amid European malaise, it is bound to sink further.

The United States will undergo a similar process. The current budget calls for a steep but possibly appropriate decline in defense spending, from 4.3 percent of G.D.P. to 3 percent, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

But defense planners are notoriously bad at estimating how fast postwar military cuts actually come. After Vietnam, the cold war and the 1991 gulf war, they vastly underestimated the size of the cuts that eventually materialized. And those cuts weren’t forced by the Medicare vice. The coming cuts are.
As the federal government becomes a health care state, there will have to be a generation of defense cuts that overwhelm anything in recent history. Keep in mind how brutal the budget pressure is going to be. According to the Government Accountability Office, if we act on entitlements today, we will still have to cut federal spending by 32 percent and raise taxes by 46 percent over the next 75 years to meet current obligations. If we postpone action for another decade, then we have to cut all non-interest federal spending by 37 percent and raise all taxes by 54 percent.

As this sort of crunch gradually tightens, Medicare will be the last to go. Spending on things like Head Start, scientific research and defense will go quicker. These spending cuts will transform America’s stature in the world, making us look a lot more like Europe today. This is why Adm. Mike Mullen called the national debt the country’s biggest security threat.

Chuck Hagel has been nominated to supervise the beginning of this generation-long process of defense cutbacks. If a Democratic president is going to slash defense, he probably wants a Republican at the Pentagon to give him political cover, and he probably wants a decorated war hero to boot.

All the charges about Hagel’s views on Israel or Iran are secondary. The real question is, how will he begin this long cutting process? How will he balance modernizing the military and paying current personnel? How will he recalibrate American defense strategy with, say, 455,000 fewer service members?

How, in short, will Hagel supervise the beginning of America’s military decline? If members of Congress don’t want America to decline militarily, well, they have no one to blame but the voters and themselves.
Is the US as democratic as Brooks alleges? In that case China can continue with spending only a moderate amount of its GDP on its military. But comment on the article have many more objections.
 

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A commentary from the New York Times:
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Is the US as democratic as Brooks alleges? In that case China can continue with spending only a moderate amount of its GDP on its military. But comment on the article have many more objections.
Obama signed the most recent Defense Appropriations measure now that sequestration has been put off. That issue still has to be resolved before the end of March...but I expect it will and the truly draconian defense cuts will not occur.

I expect that times will continue lean for the DOD, but I do not expect to see the cut back to 3% GNP described here by the New York Times reporter. The New York Times regularly advocates for defense cuts.

A majority of Americans are regularly polled as not being in favor of "Obama Care," and its new spending and taxes. 26 states are already either moving forward with their own, or considering their own health care exchanges and not accepting the Obama Care exchanges...and most of these do not come nearly to the level of socialized health care that Obama Care would lead to. In addition, the US HOuse, which controls all spending is solidly in control of the oppoistion party...the GOP.

So, it is clearly not a resolved matter that the US Health Care System is going to end up mirroring Europe, or that the decisions to make that possible are going to mirror Europe's either.

The United States is a Constitutional Representative Republic with a very healthy dose of seperation of powers at the federal level between the branches (Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary) and also...equally importantly...between the Federal Government and the State Governments. The tenth amendment to the US Constitution makes this abundantly clear. What we are seeing now, IMHO, is an over-reach by the Federal Government and the States responding to it on several levels (including health care) to reign in what the Federal Government is proposing. Where it all will end up at the current time is anyone's guess.
 

Jeff Head

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Some Filipino fisherman found this recently:
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Any ID?
Yep. That's sure enough a sub-sonic BQM-74E aerial target drone. (Hint: It says "Target" right on the tail). Either surfaced launched (as shown below) or they can be air launched as well.

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The BQM-74 Chukar has been used by the US Navy since the late 1960s, and have been upgraded a couple of times. This latest version, the BQM-74E Chukar III, was designed in the late 1970s and produced into the late 1980s. About 1,600 of them were produced and are used to this day by the US Navy to simulate low flying, sub-sonic aircraft or missiles. If that one had the telemetry package, the Navy will want to get a hold of it to see what happened. Usually they parachute into the sea and are recovered.

Word is this one was launched in an exercise off of Guam in September (a few months ago). Apparently it (since it doesn't look too damaged at all) it was not hit and it continued on until it ran out of gas and then fell into the ocean. Usually, as I say, they can remotely stop the thing and deploy a parachute for it to fall into the ocean where it has a flotation device that activates until it is recovered.

Either way...it is unarmed, does not do surveillance, and not a very "high tech" UAV as these things go.
 
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The Obama Administration is refusing to build a Death Star, guys. I think they aren't taking the security of the United States seriously these days, if they aren't careful, by 2016, China or Russia will leap ahead and the US military will be looking at a serious Death Star gap in capability.

You know who to vote for next election.

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