TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
F22 architecture was rendered obsolete by the degree of advancement the F35’s systems achieved despite being mostly based on F22 systems. The data links, optics, radars and interfaces are a paradigm shift.I mostly agree with all this, but come back to the point when you said the F-22's architecture was obsolete. What did you mean by that?
How was it obsolete in contrast to the F-16 or F-15? Avionics, radar, control systems can be updated as we saw with both 4th gen fighters.
F15 and F16 got upgrades but as fourth generation aircraft if the optics or countermeasures get obsolete you can bolt new ones on in pods. Fifth generation can’t do that it has to be
B21 plans that the first two units will be flight demonstration prototypes then progress to production. F22 and F35 programs progressed at a slower rate as much of the technology in them was bespoke to them. F22 had to develop engines and radars and missile warning systems. F35 had to develop improved versions of the same plus. B21 is starting with off the shelf versions from them.It doesn't have to be a literal mock up for my point to be valid. A non flying prototype would be as much a mock up as one made out of timber. My point being as the B-21 project progresses, it will inevitably encounter problems that need to be overcome. That's not even a hypothetical, we've seen that with both the JSF project, the F-22 and countless other American military projects.
No where near as rampant. When the Russian former President can state emphatically that roughly a quarter of the Russian MOD budget is lost to corruption that’s out of control. What would be a huge scandal in the US DOD would be a Tuesday in the Kremlin. The US has a system both inside and out hounding every line of the DOD budget. The system is such that those involved are more likely to be caught and be punished. Where in the Russian system giving a cut of the profits is more effective and the cover of national security is broader. The Russians have a higher tolerance for corruption.It's also ironic that you're accusing the Russians of corruption yet completely blind to the rampant corruption that exists in the American MIC.
It’s again the reverse. LM designed the jet as a fighter bomber then redesigned it to STVOL. This slowed things down and the additional navy version added on basically ending up with more of an F35, AV35 and F/A35 respectively. As each version required more changes. The supposed “bloat” of F35A is not that much compared to the mold lines of a Rafael. Where it does differ is as F35 has internal carry.The MIC saying the fundamental problems have been solved doesn't make it true. I think the F-35 was designed crippled from birth by shoehorning in the SVTOL concept into the multirole fighter platform.
I disagree with this as first. F35’s “mistake” are often baseless or dated assumptions on air to air and air to ground combat. Where everyone draws conclusions of combat based on Top gun and Iron Eagle movies rather than the cold reality that long range engagement by air to air missiles is substantially higher than in the past. Sprinting to Mach 2 doesn’t help if you can’t find what just killed you.To put some perspective into what I'm saying; do I think the F-35 is a bad plane? No, but it could have been much better. America hasn't been punished for the mistakes because up until now it has been the only nation capable of producing 5th gen fighters at scale.
Again they haven’t forgotten anything. It’s that the industry base moved on. Without the base you can’t build new ones. Lockheed Martin, RAND and the USAF ran a study as to the cost of restarting production a few years back. The upfront costs was in the neighborhood of 10 billion before production. The USAF figured it would be just as much to design and build a new one. Hence NGAD. It’s not that they “forgot” it’s that it’s uneconomical. It’s like trying to justify building a business Typewriter factory.As time progresses that will no longer be the case and I expect to see the Americans "forgetting" how to make the F-35 just like they did the F-22.