is japan even allowed to have such lethal aircraft? i thought they were only aloud a defnesive force for homeland defense but the purchase of the f-22 could really be a threat. and yeh, out of all the countries to sell the f-22 why sell it japan. didn't the americans create the embargo so the japanese can't have a offensive army like they do. now their helping them!! i think that the usa is trying to use japan as a steping stone to contain the chinese threat. the usa has a history of helping other nations for certain interests. like when iraq and iran where at war the usa helped both sides.
US MIGHT sell f-22 to Japan
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The_Zergling
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WEN? said:
Whoa dude... the F-22 is a threat to... who? China? The only thing that it absolutely owns the competition is air to air, calling it a threat to China because it can drop a pair of JDAMs is... weird. Yes it is lethal to other aircraft, and pretty much only aircraft.
I just don't really classify fighters as really "offensive" weapons as opposed to long range bombers, or nukes, or submarines... that's another story.
If Japan got nukes I would agree in your criticism that it's illegal (under the current Japanese constitution) and it definitely counts as offensive weaponary.
True, the F-22 would be a potent addition to an air force that wants to achieve air superiority, but then again isn't that what ALL air forces are supposed to do? (First forget the word difference between Air Force or Self Defense Force or whatever)
Using this logic you could say that the US shouldn't have sold F-15Js to Japan because they'd actually give Japan a fighting chance in air to air combat versus neighboring countries...
and what if F-22 in JSDAF retains its offensive capapiltyes?? F-1 was purely offensive plane and i recall F-4js being used for ground attack as well...there are still tactical offensive weapons, not strategical and if some one wants to drew line between 'offensive' and 'defensive' systems, the line goes whit strategical weapons such as long range missiles, strategic assault equipment (longrange deployment of ground forces via air or sea) and offcourse, weapons of mass destructions...
so its sounds bit too much of comon jelouse when chinese point of wiev shouts about japanese acuiring this 'offensive' weapon...
so its sounds bit too much of comon jelouse when chinese point of wiev shouts about japanese acuiring this 'offensive' weapon...
PiSigma said:
Well, first, the USAF doesn't make the decision to sell military equipment to other countries. USAF advises and pushes what it believes the right decision, but as the article stated "approval of top officials at the Defense and State departments as well as on Capitol Hill" is needed for this.
As for the two countries you mentioned, I doubt either would be clamouring for any F-22s.
1. Britain is in JSF program and is getting Eurofighters--try selling the F-22 to that public.
2. Germany is also a Eurofighter nation, and has a public and many government officials weary of big ticket military purchases, especially foreign purchases (or non Euroland).
Neither of those countries would seriously want it.
As for offensive vs. defensive weapon, isn't it all a matter of policy? Sure, as already stated strategic offensive weapons like WMDs of any sort are out of the question for Japan, but when it comes to ships and planes--most of these can do both. I can take to F-22 to China and shoot planes down there or I can wait for anyone to attack and shoot them down at home.
as for this, the F-22s radar is great for detecting small stealthy cruise missles, like the kind someone wanting to attack Japan just might use. Beyond that, as some may have heard, AESA radars can direct and focus their beams very tightly and accurately to be used as directed energy weapons. So if the Japanese attack someone, I guess this is an asset. But it is more of an asset for scrambling the electronics of those cruise missles the F-22 can pick out of the sky against ground clutter.
The F-22 was designed as an air-superiority fighter, obviously for some this coupled with all the amazing things an F-22 can do seems too 'offensive' in nature, but I can't think of many better defensive assets. I guess it is up to the Japanese to decide what they do with them (like attack China, yeah right), if they even get any.
F22 is build around tech older than JSF. lockheed martin continously replaces F22 parts with JSF parts; show how backward some of its tech is becoming. so about the tech transfer concern, i seriously believe there will be little lost if the JSF is already going into the market. what is lost is the bragging right for being the sole user of the most powerful (not advanced) jet fighter in the world.
Gollevainen said:
Who is crying wolf now
. As much as my acknowlege, it is Japan who everyday calling about china threat, not the other way around. Some chinese here might want to know if F22 should consider offensive weapon, not as if they are saying you shouldn't do this or do that . F22 is the best air superior fighter in US stockpile, I doubt US is willing to sell this state of art weapon anytime soon. Maybe 10-20 years later, but definite not anytime soon. Personally, I think it is good idea for Japanese to get F22 or F35, because Japan had fault in their F2, F2 is just a waste of money and is not much better than the late f15 or F16 version. If Japan want to have their indegious plane, they should start the project now and make a good commitment. And should get as much help from US as possible, so it would not be end up like the F2.
I'm curious as to why so many people think the Mitsubishi F-2 is a "failure"? As the result of the program, Japan did not have to import any F-16's from the US.
The unit cost of the aircraft isn't that much different from a F-16 block 60 or Mirage-2000-9 today. Like the F/A-22 and IDF, the order was reduced, but not cancelled. It's equipped with AESA radar and manufactuered mostly (except powerplant) in Japan as a replacement for the F-1.
As for possible F/A-22 sale to Japan, I'd point to the F-15J as an example, the Japanese will prolly receive downgraded vairants. Personally, I think Japan is better off using the $ on UCAV (unammed combat air vehicles) research. The Japanese electronics and robotics industry is very advanced, I think they'd excel at UCAV's instead of forking billions over to uncle sam.
The unit cost of the aircraft isn't that much different from a F-16 block 60 or Mirage-2000-9 today. Like the F/A-22 and IDF, the order was reduced, but not cancelled. It's equipped with AESA radar and manufactuered mostly (except powerplant) in Japan as a replacement for the F-1.
As for possible F/A-22 sale to Japan, I'd point to the F-15J as an example, the Japanese will prolly receive downgraded vairants. Personally, I think Japan is better off using the $ on UCAV (unammed combat air vehicles) research. The Japanese electronics and robotics industry is very advanced, I think they'd excel at UCAV's instead of forking billions over to uncle sam.
bangladesh
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arms race will trigger
china will join russia maybe to make stealth fighter
india to russia
china will join russia maybe to make stealth fighter
india to russia