US Laser and Rail Gun Development News

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Then Kurt we are in agreement. So any thoughts on fighter based directed energy weapons?
 

Kurt

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Then Kurt we are in agreement. So any thoughts on fighter based directed energy weapons?

Sure, there were Cold War plans of nuclear engine powered flying fortresses. That's the kind of aircraft for such a laser.

Hard kill lasers simply go to ships first and it will be a big step to integrate them into vehicles on land.

In the air, lasers could be used as part of decoy armament to dazzle or possibly even softkill.
Softkill =destroying electronics instead of the whole machine
Lasers simply do have a very low energy density per weight (and a high power output) and aircrafts are high energy density systems. The laser on the large transport aircraft was for demonstration and does make sense if you defend against a very limited number of nuclear missiles, but under no other circumstances.
The softkill aspect via the high power peak might have some ground breaking application for electronic warfare, frying hostile emission sources quickly and for good and thus ending much of the mutual jamming problems.

The Nazis had a solar death ray project, they wanted to realize in the more distant future of their Thousand Years Reich. Technologically similar, the Russians tried a folding mirror to heat certain spots in Siberia for easier access. Such a solar mirror could put the energy into a laser that reemits it as a specific wavelength with a certain direction. The laser serves more or less as a system to put the energy through and does not store a longterm build-up of energy. Periodic short intervall releases still offer concentrated power pulses.
Flying doom rays are not impossible, but they fly in space and are still bulky and heavy to bring up there. Their most useful application will be to shoot at other doom rays and maybe some space stations and satellites that cross their horizon. I'm certainly a fan of having one doom ray that cleans up all the space debris. This doom ray device could also be quite useful for communication down to earth with wavelengths that are impossible for manned systems such as X-ray laser communication to watch HDTV in a submarine at maximum diving depth (but it will still be hard to order pizza under these circumstances).
 

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Fiscal austerity is here to stay, commented Rear Admiral Thomas Shannon, Commander of the United States Navy’s Military Sealift Command (MSC) while speaking at a meeting of the Washington, DC Propeller Club recently. “It’s our new reality.”

Despite this reality, global demand for US naval presence remains high. Maritime forces continue to face challenges and adversaries ranging from traditional roles such as counter-piracy and maintaining open trade routes to unique challenges such as the disposal of chemical weapons from Syria.

Meanwhile, “every week, without exception we are under attack.” notes Shannon.

MSC isn’t being fired upon in a literal sense. Admiral Shannon’s battles are political and budgetary in nature and he remarked that his influence on Capitol Hill carries significantly less weight than lobby groups representing high profile acquisitions like the Joint Strike Fighter, submarines, or Ford-class aircraft carriers.

But yet, Admiral Shannon’s fleet of MSC vessels may find themselves playing an increasingly vital role in future maritime operations around the globe.

Fortunately, the U.S. Navy’s Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert seems to share his vision, according to his spokesman CAPT Danny Hernandez. Greenert notes that the world we live in today needs some slightly different vessels and platforms – some that are lower cost, innovative and effective – to augment forcible entry platforms.

“Ships of the future need to evolve a little bit,” said Greenert, “everything can’t be a cruiser or destroyer teemed with missiles, guns and everything.”

And why should they?

There are plenty of highly capable MSC black-hulled vessels crewed by U.S. mariners who graduate from institutions like the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy who have the experience, dedication, and desire to serve. The cost of these mariners and their vessels are a bargain when compared to operating expensive U.S. grey-hulled warships that typically have several times more personnel.

“We can do some pretty cool stuff off these black hulls,” commented Shannon.

The M/V Cape Ray, he notes, was transformed into a factory to destroy Syrian chemical weapons in a 60-day period. It departed last week from Norfolk to carry out its mission.

Perhaps instead of a maintenance facility, a hospital package could be added in order to transform the vessel into a hospital ship that can be sent to littoral areas unreachable by the current Comfort-class ships.

The Austal-built JHSV highlights the versatile nature of these black hulls. Recently embarked on her maiden deployment, a railgun will be installed by 2016 to demonstrate capabilities. Possibilities are endless when you consider the potential to utilize these vessels to launch unmanned vehicles.

Looking further to the future, it may even be possible to launch a F-35 Joint Strike Fighter from an Afloat Forward Staging Base (AFSB).

The key to it all Shannon says, is “get it out there.” “I don’t care what it was designed to do, I want creative ideas that show the U.S. military what these ships CAN do.”

New MSC ships like the MLP, AFSB, and JHSV have a range of mission possibilities limited only by the creativity of those developing the concept of operations for use. These ships are far more than ‘piers-at-sea’ and reflect a tremendous opportunity to take on missions like counter-piracy, special warfare, and reconnaissance, while more costly assets like destroyers perform sea control missions requiring their impressive – and expensive – array of combat systems.

In an era of fiscal austerity, it would be foolish not to fully utilize these very capable assets.

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LaWS Test on Arleigh Burke destroyer, USS Dewey (DDG 105), off San Diego, April 2013

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A directed energy weapon or rail gun, however, might be able to offer an effective deterrent or ship defense system at a fraction of the cost of a missile.

The Navy is progressing with laser and rail gun technology. Senior Navy officials have routinely talked about plans for the service's Laser Weapons System, or LaWS, a high-energy, solid-state directed energy weapon slated to deploy this year aboard the USS Ponce, a transport dock.

"We're taking the laser weapon system prototype to sea this year. We are hoping to develop a system that we can produce and install aboard future warships," said Navy spokesman Chris Johnson.

The idea with LaWS is to deploy a low-cost, high-energy offensive and defensive weapon against a range of potential threats, including Unmanned Aircraft Systems, fast-attack boats and small-boat swarm attacks.

The Navy also plans to test a ship-mounted electromagnetic rail gun on Navy vessels, service officials said. The rail gun, which can hit ranges of 100 miles or more, uses electricity stored on the ship to generate a high-speed electromagnetic pulse sufficient to propel a kinetic energy warhead. The result is an inexpensive, high-impact and long-range offensive weapon, service officials said.

The Navy, which has been testing the rail gun at the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Dahlgren, Va., plans to integrate it aboard a ship by 2016.

The rail gun's hyper-velocity projectile can also be fired from standard Navy 5-inch guns as well as 155mm Howitzers, service officials said.

The DDG Flight IV program, now in its infancy, is planned as an upgrade to the Navy's current Flight III destroyer program slated to being construction in 2016. Overall, the Secretary of the Navy's long-range shipbuilding plan calls for construction of 22 Flight III DDGs, Vandroff explained.

Flight III destroyers will be engineered with a series of technological improvements when compared to the current Flight IIA ships. For instance, the Flight IIIs will be configured with a next-generation Air and Missile Defense Radar, or AMDR, a radar that is 30 to 35 times more powerful than existing ship radar systems, such as the current SPY-1D, he said.

"You can see something one-half the size and twice as far away," Vandroff added.
 

Jeff Head

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In addition to the US Navy testing of these weapons, the US Military is also moving forward with ground based weaponry too. Here's a video, in 2013, of the ground based High Energy Laser (HEL) destroying a missile in flight.


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Impressive slow motion film in there.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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SMog as Laser Defense... BULL!
Smog over Beijing, Moscow may inhibit laser weapons, Chinese official claims
By Gene J. KoprowskiPublished March 18, 2014FoxNews.comFacebook68 Twitter110 Gplus5
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Feb. 26, 2014: Cars travel on an overpass amid thick haze in the morning in Beijing. China's north is suffering a pollution crisis, with the capital Beijing itself shrouded in acrid smog.REUTERS/KIM KYUNG-HOON
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Military strategist Carl von Clausewitz wrote in his 1873 classic, On War, about the “fog of war,” or the confusion during a conflict that causes uncertainty for armed forces. But air pollution in major urban areas is taking the fog of war to a whole new level.

Welcome to the "smog of war," the filthy and barely breathable air that bedevils the large industrial cities of China -- and that a Chinese admiral says will protect his country if the U.S. Navy ever decides to attack with the new laser weapons it plans to deploy this summer.

According to Navy Rear Admiral Zhang Zhoazong, the smog in Beijing and other large Chinese cities contains “tiny metallic particles” that would make it difficult for American lasers to penetrate, should a conflict between the powers ever emerge.

"Under conditions where there is no smog, a laser weapon can fire [at a range of] 10 kilometers,” Zhang said recently on state-run TV. “When there's smog, it's only 1 kilometer. What's the point of making this kind of weapon?"

Zhang explained that he wasn’t endorsing pollution, merely explaining its effects. "I just stated a laser weapon's weakness," he said. "I don't support smog."

It sounds absurd, but -- incredibly enough -- Zhang could be right. The drops of polluted water in smog actually could deter laser weapons, said McCall Paxon, a former Army Ranger who is now an analyst with Rook Security.

“Each drop of water will deflect a small portion of that laser,” he told FoxNews.com. “At first, it won’t be enough to do anything. But over time and distance, it will take its toll. In the smog that China has been experiencing lately, the laser could only penetrate about a mile.”

But if Zhang is depending upon air pollution to save his country, he could also be very wrong.

“The statement from the Chinese … is preposterous!” Phrantceena Halres, CEO of Total Protection Services Global, a military and government security consulting firm, said in an interview.

“Since smog, like all gases, disperses, it is unlikely to have any significant effect for any significant amount of time.”

“China is just trying to placate its people who are fed up with the bad air,” Halres added.

Zhang made his comments shortly after the U.S. Navy announced plans to deploy a laser weapon aboard the U.S.S. Ponce, a 17,000-ton transport vessel that will be stationed in the Middle East this summer. The economics of laser weapons are quite appealing: They cost pennies on the dollar when compared with the “smart bombs” and missiles used in recent conflicts.

“It fundamentally changes the way we fight,” said Capt. Mike Ziv, program manager for directed energy and electric weapon systems for the Naval Sea Systems Command.

The Navy’s technology, now at the prototype stage, can be operated by one sailor and can target drones, speed boats, swarm boats and other threats. The lasers can operate on as little as 30 kw of energy, and can burn through targets and damage electrical equipment.

What, me worry? says Zhang. If the smog isn’t enough of a deterrent, the “saltwater spray” of the Pacific Ocean will rust and damage the weapons, again rendering them impotent, he says.

But lasers may work on land, too. The U.S. Army is testing vehicle-mounted laser weapons, deploying a high energy laser mobile demonstrator in December at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. It “successfully engaged” more than 90 rounds of mortar and several unmanned aerial vehicles, according to the Army’s Space and Missile Defense Command, a part of the Army Forces Strategic Command Technical Center.

Boeing Co. is the prime contractor for that project. Another U.S. military contractor, Lockheed Martin, demonstrated a 30-kw electric fiber laser on Jan. 28 at Bothell, Wash. This has “opened the aperture for high-power, electrically driven laser systems, suitable for military applications,” Ray O. Johnson, chief technology officer of Lockheed Martin said.

Though smog is a bear of a problem in Russia – and the weather there would have the same impact on U.S. weapons as in China – President Vladimir Putin isn’t counting on it to deter an American laser weapon. Russian research scientists say they have developed a “special filter” that promises to shield military electronics and optical devices used in military equipment from destruction by lasers.

Researcher Dmitry Chesnokov, a dean of the faculty of nano-technologies at the Siberian State Geodesic Academy, said the filters should protect night-vision weapons systems in use by the Russians.

“Our army may face this challenge, so we have designed special built-in filters that could ensure protection from laser attacks,” Chesnokov told journalists during a briefing Novosibirsk last month.
 

Equation

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I believe if lasers can't be use as an effective weapon it could still be used to transmit information as a communication tool if the ship was hit with a massive EMP attack that renders some of it's electronics ability.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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well his first issue is that thus far the Us has targeted the laser system a a defensive measure. read the list of targets and it's airborne threats. the second issue is that his argument points to the fine metallic particulate as one of the two protective elements that particulate is the most dangerous part of the Smog as it gets in and damages the lung tissues. Also note that this would only protect Chinese cities. The US would be unlikely to be laser attacking Beijing with naval weapons unless the mighty PLA was sitting at the bottom of the sea. It seems unlikely at the moment for the Us to employ satellite based ( What was the Obama Administration's response to the proposal again??? "Barking up the Wrong Administration.") and thus far Airborne is limited although intended for greater application in the future , it's listed as a feature for the sixth Generation fighter program, however today's system still requites at least a hull the size of a CH47.
As to saltwater spray. Any naval system has to deal with that and It's mitigatable with proper maintenance.

Really the Laser system seems more defensive to date and the Admiral's claims meant to try and propagandize the value of the Smog. the Russian fibers are another matter and seem a better defensive measure if true.
 

Equation

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well his first issue is that thus far the Us has targeted the laser system a a defensive measure. read the list of targets and it's airborne threats. the second issue is that his argument points to the fine metallic particulate as one of the two protective elements that particulate is the most dangerous part of the Smog as it gets in and damages the lung tissues. Also note that this would only protect Chinese cities. The US would be unlikely to be laser attacking Beijing with naval weapons unless the mighty PLA was sitting at the bottom of the sea. It seems unlikely at the moment for the Us to employ satellite based ( What was the Obama Administration's response to the proposal again??? "Barking up the Wrong Administration.") and thus far Airborne is limited although intended for greater application in the future , it's listed as a feature for the sixth Generation fighter program, however today's system still requites at least a hull the size of a CH47.
As to saltwater spray. Any naval system has to deal with that and It's mitigatable with proper maintenance.

Really the Laser system seems more defensive to date and the Admiral's claims meant to try and propagandize the value of the Smog. the Russian fibers are another matter and seem a better defensive measure if true.


I think the Admiral was more pinpointing about the natural weakness of lasers in a smog or wet environment.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I think the Admiral was more pinpointing about the natural weakness of lasers in a smog or wet environment.

But his argument is flawed, in order to be in that limited range area by the Smog environment the Ship employing the laser has to be literally in a Chinese Smog bank. That means more or less being in Chinese Waters around the dense smog centers. It's a bit like arguing Infantry could never invade China as the Smog would render them to sick to fight. They have admitted that, It's logical but the chances of a US NAVY ship being in such a situation, is incredibly low. Unless the PLA plans on producing masses of Smog Banks around there Ships.

In the Ocean Environment The Navy has already taken that into consideration, they had to have they are mounting it in a navy ship and the US Navy was one of the first iron hulled navies, Rust and sea spray is nothing new.
 
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