US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread
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To be fair to Adorable Whale, he didn't mean "revamped/remastered F-22" as in "literally restarting the F-22 production and changing/swapping things inside the F-22", but (what I understand it to be) more like "what if we (the USAF) want a literal 6th-gen successor to the F-22?" kind-of way.
Of course, what that supposed technology demonstrator/model in the USAF promotional video looked like does echo some degree of similarity to the F-22, but that's not the main point (or even the main reasoning) for his statement.
Blablabla... Lots of pic have been proven fake, calling GCAP as FCAP and even using F-22 image. It's a flood of bullshit and misinformation. Pls don't post this kind s*** anymore.
Sometimes a reminder of the stuff fed to the general public is necessary. It affects public perception, which in turn can affect continued political (and thus financial) support for military programmes, especially big-ticket ones. That's worthy of discussion, especially in the current American budgetary climate.
First, I'm evaluating its content quality—such unserious and unprofessional material shouldn't be posted on this forum. Second, the sheer volume of misinformation published on this media channel qualifies it as fake news. Finally, what the hell does The Sun, a British tabloid, have to do with public opinion?
tl;dr
1) This trash doesn’t belong here. 2) They’re literally spreading lies. 3) Since when could a British tabloid sway people's opinions?
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They are revamping F-22 though. Just off the top of my head they are integrating:
1) HMDS
2) New mirror paint
3) IR sensors.
4) ability to use AIM-260.
I could see glass canopy disappearing replaced by 360 coverage from DAS and EOTS and helmet mounted display. It would remove a big stealth headache from the cockpit area. But with the amount of software problems in US projects, it could bring other headaches.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Okay guys let’s take a moment and touch grass.
Cold hard reality check.
1) Those of us who are looking for intakes and vertical tails on the F47 render images form the Whitehouse announcement. Stop. Those are CGI images, meant as placeholders. The shadows and voids are not hiding anything it’s just the void.
2) The same for the video. That’s just a placeholder. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Until Boeing actually has a public roll out of the YF47 take every image with a grain of salt treat it like you would any other mockup. It’s like the hype train that is the “white emperor”, Topgun Maverick Darkstar or the Talons from Stealth or even the OG of it all the Firefox from the Movie Firefox or any of the Ace combat video game fighters. Be skeptical.
NGAD was designed around digital twin and digital design so the transition from demonstration to prototype is going to be faster. It’s almost like 3D printing a plane. As a result older renderings may not have any relationship to the finished product. The same for GCAP but most especially FCAS as it’s got the longest timeline.
3) Chest thumping about J36 and J50 also needs a cold water shower as well. Neither are production ready. They are flight demonstration or early prototypes. Unlikely to enter service before the end of the decade. It’s still very possible for F47 to enter production at the same time as the most mature of the two.
4) “6th Generation” is marketing. Flying wing body may be part of it but not necessarily a prerequisite. Stealth is part of 5th generation but the degree of it is variable. Most of what makes a 5th generation is avionics. It’s likely that the same will hold for a 6th generation. As marketing its entirely possible for different builders to have there own definitions. The Chinese system had been branding J20 and J35 has “4th generation” well Su35 and fighters in their own fleet viewed internationally as “4th generation” were “3rd generation.”
Cold hard reality check.
1) Those of us who are looking for intakes and vertical tails on the F47 render images form the Whitehouse announcement. Stop. Those are CGI images, meant as placeholders. The shadows and voids are not hiding anything it’s just the void.
2) The same for the video. That’s just a placeholder. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Until Boeing actually has a public roll out of the YF47 take every image with a grain of salt treat it like you would any other mockup. It’s like the hype train that is the “white emperor”, Topgun Maverick Darkstar or the Talons from Stealth or even the OG of it all the Firefox from the Movie Firefox or any of the Ace combat video game fighters. Be skeptical.
NGAD was designed around digital twin and digital design so the transition from demonstration to prototype is going to be faster. It’s almost like 3D printing a plane. As a result older renderings may not have any relationship to the finished product. The same for GCAP but most especially FCAS as it’s got the longest timeline.
3) Chest thumping about J36 and J50 also needs a cold water shower as well. Neither are production ready. They are flight demonstration or early prototypes. Unlikely to enter service before the end of the decade. It’s still very possible for F47 to enter production at the same time as the most mature of the two.
4) “6th Generation” is marketing. Flying wing body may be part of it but not necessarily a prerequisite. Stealth is part of 5th generation but the degree of it is variable. Most of what makes a 5th generation is avionics. It’s likely that the same will hold for a 6th generation. As marketing its entirely possible for different builders to have there own definitions. The Chinese system had been branding J20 and J35 has “4th generation” well Su35 and fighters in their own fleet viewed internationally as “4th generation” were “3rd generation.”