US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

[Lethe]

Bill Sweetman article on F47 Convict:

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Interesting that Sweetman doesn't buy the renders showing F-47 with canards (the word is simply absent from this piece, clearly a deliberate omission) or the notion that it is a somewhat smaller aircraft:

We know something about the F-47’s size from open-source discussion of its engines. A 2018 presentation includes a slide outlining the goals of the USAF’s variable-cycle engine program, and it makes a clear distinction between engines of the 200 kilonewton (45,000 lb) thrust class (the General Electric XA100 and Pratt & Whitney XA101) sized for the F-35, smaller ‘scaled core’ engines for what has become the F-47—engines now known as GE XA102 and P&W XA103—and a derivative for retrofit to F-15s and F-16s.

That implies a maximum thrust around 160 kilonewtons (35,000 lb) for the F-47 engine. Given a requirement for less manoeuvre and more range, that points to an aircraft with a loaded weight of about 45 tonnes (much like an F-111, which will please some Australian readers.)

 

[SlothmanAllen]

Interesting that Sweetman doesn't buy the renders showing F-47 with canards (the word is simply absent from this piece, clearly a deliberate omission) or the notion that it is a somewhat smaller aircraft:

Was going to quote and mention the same thing. Especially the part about the engines.

This aircraft is going to be on the larger side given all of the comments the Air Force has made over the past several years. Even the nine month pause concluded with them saying that yes they needed the NGAD—PCA (Penetrating Counter Air) concept and that a smaller NGAD with an NGAS (Next Generation Stealth Tanker) wasn’t feasible in cost or time.

 

[AndrewJ]

 

[Deino]

Just for fun ...

 

[KampfAlwin]

Just for fun ...

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The funniest part are the american ultranationalists making tall claims on a jet that has yet to be revealed in full, yet chastise us for speculating J-36's specs based on its actual, real flying prototype.

I remember one supposedly 'credible' handle claimed thier jet could carry 30+ AAMs internally.

 

[SlothmanAllen]

Reuters is saying sources are expecting the F/A-XX contract to be announced sometime this week. Maybe another Friday announcement?

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WASHINGTON, March 25 (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy is expected to announce this week who will build its next-generation carrier-based stealth fighter - a program worth hundreds of billions over its lifetime and a key part of plans to confront China, people familiar with the decision said.

Boeing could be in for a huge win if they manage to secure F/A-XX along with NGAD. On the hand, if Northrop gets the contract that means you have Lockheed, Boeing and Northrop all producing modern fighter aircraft.

 

[Hyper]

I took a look through the last several pages and didn't see these concept renders posted. I found them on the Secret Projects Forum thread Boeing F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) posted by @Deino. Apparently they come from a Chinese artist who did some nice concepts on the J-36.

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Obviously taking some liberties as we don't know what the rear of the plane looks like, but I think they are pretty cool!

It looks like fa-xx

 

[Hyper]

Interesting that Sweetman doesn't buy the renders showing F-47 with canards (the word is simply absent from this piece, clearly a deliberate omission) or the notion that it is a somewhat smaller aircraft:

Some Australian readers.
This guy lmao.
Who is he talking about?

 

[Aniah]

The funniest part are the american ultranationalists making tall claims on a jet that has yet to be revealed in full, yet chastise us for speculating J-36's specs based on its actual, real flying prototype.

I remember one supposedly 'credible' handle claimed thier jet could carry 30+ AAMs internally.

You think that's bad, 2 days ago, I saw a comment with hundreds of likes saying he truly believe the NGAD contains alien technology and the replies were all agreeing with him. They are more delusional than the Chinese fanboys who think the J-36 can fly into space.

 

[GyrfalconFC31]