US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

[kwaigonegin]

The 'weakest' link would be the 'man' inside. G-max would be limited to about 8 G and certain maneuvers 9Gs sustain but that will seriously compromise airframe life.
I believe that the 6th Gen is the last 'manned' aircraft generation. Past that would be drones capable of pulling almost as many GS as a missile.
I also believe 6th gen would be evolutionary improvements over the likes of the f22 and yf23 like many here think. Basically still the same stuff but improved. Improved stealth, improved avionics and major improvement in spectrum warfare.
7th .gen OTOH will be quite a monumental leap in technology. That would be something similar to what we see in Hollywood movies at this stage.

 

[Jura The idiot]

... what we have found is that agility is no longer the prerequisite fighter requirement after all?

this is what LockMart is telling to sell

the F-35 will never be the kinematic equal of the F-22, but it no longer needs to be with "fire and forget" weapons used BVR.

what's important is a comparison of F-35 to aircraft it's "slated to replace"

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happy now Master Jura, "TAIL", ...

LOL thank you very much for now correctly spelling this particular word

 

[antiterror13]

There are emerging technology beyond the horizon that will change aerodynamics profoundly, namely

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It is being researched around the world in hopes of creating various application like better streamlining of cars for better fuel economy and faster speed, stop/reduce building winds, etc.
If you place them on wings and control them actively they will change the conformance of airflow dramatically making abrupt turns and/or large lift resulting to slower landing speed.

Here is a nice read on about the technology for airplanes.

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Is Japan leading of this technology? I am sure it is the case

 

[SamuraiBlue]

Is Japan leading of this technology? I am sure it is the case

If you can't contribute to the discussion then can you at least have the grace to stay silent?

You are just trolling.

 

[antiterror13]

If you can't contribute to the discussion then can you at least have the grace to stay silent?

You are just trolling.

huhhh .... are you ok? I know .. the truth sometime inconvenient

the pot calling the kettle black

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

this is what LockMart is telling to sell

the word you are looking for is *trying*, However in this case not really. Lockheed Martin's F35 is tailored for it's intended mission set and remember they also designed the F22. The JSF was always intended to be a tamer ride then Raptor. 6th gen for the USAF and USN is intended to be a Air dominance fighter that can do multi role strike as well.

what's important is a comparison of F-35 to aircraft it's "slated to replace"

not at all this is not a Lightning replacement it's a lightning complement. Lightning will still be there as the Sixth gens take flight.

Now technology wise almost anything is possible. I expect these next gen fighters to be built with 3D printing technology accelerating production. Manned optional is a want meaning that if the pilot sits it out his fighter can score kills. Directed energy weapons are moving to mainstream and counter missile missiles new ideas in engines like ADVENT mean it can sip fuel then rocket when wanted. The plasma tech Blue meantioned. Heck with thermal and visual stealth technology where it is today they could have cloaking devices.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

Now technology wise almost anything is possible. I expect these next gen fighters to be built with 3D printing technology accelerating production. Manned optional is a want meaning that if the pilot sits it out his fighter can score kills. Directed energy weapons are moving to mainstream and counter missile missiles new ideas in engines like ADVENT mean it can sip fuel then rocket when wanted. The plasma tech Blue meantioned. Heck with thermal and visual stealth technology where it is today they could have cloaking devices.

Don't know about actual cloaking BUT if you combine additive manufacturing(3D printing) printing 3D meta material surface and plasma actuators to remove drag from the meta material surface then you can create a completely stealth plane from radar regardless of radar source.

 

[Jura The idiot]

let's see the context;
presumably in reference to
this:

... what we have found is that agility is no longer the prerequisite fighter requirement after all?

this is what LockMart is telling to sell

part of
#272 Jura, Today at 7:41 AM

you 24 minutes ago

this is what LockMart is telling to sell

the word you are looking for is *trying*, However in this case not really. Lockheed Martin's F35 is tailored for it's intended mission set and remember they also designed the F22. The JSF was always intended to be a tamer ride then Raptor. 6th gen for the USAF and USN is intended to be a Air dominance fighter that can do multi role strike as well.

and I disagree with your word "trying", and stick to my original word "telling", as I believe the world-scale advertising campaign of LockMart tells, now using AFB's words again (who apparently likes that campaign):

"what we have found is that agility is no longer the prerequisite fighter requirement after all?"

which for me is just an advertisement info!


let's see the context again;
presumably in reference to this:

the F-35 will never be the kinematic equal of the F-22, but it no longer needs to be with "fire and forget" weapons used BVR.

what's important is a comparison of F-35 to aircraft it's "slated to replace"

part of #272 Jura, Today at 7:41 AM

you 24 minutes ago

what's important is a comparison of F-35 to aircraft it's "slated to replace"

not at all this is not a Lightning replacement it's a lightning complement. Lightning will still be there as the Sixth gens take flight.

here I meant aircraft other than F-22: A-10; F-16; F-18, and while I would've thought you might remember our recent conversation in
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Little secret that Perre Spray does not admit.
Almost every bird F35 is replacing is multirole, with the single exception of the A10. F/A18C/D and F16C/D are both multirole aircraft Interceptors and ground attack.
AV8B limited Interceptor and ground attack.
And you know what F35 will do those jobs just as well and In the Case of Harrier far better.

I see your point

in this context, I should've specified the aircraft which I meant F-35 is quote unquote slated to replace

Now technology wise almost anything is possible. I expect these next gen fighters to be built with 3D printing technology accelerating production. Manned optional is a want meaning that if the pilot sits it out his fighter can score kills. Directed energy weapons are moving to mainstream and counter missile missiles new ideas in engines like ADVENT mean it can sip fuel then rocket when wanted. The plasma tech Blue meantioned. Heck with thermal and visual stealth technology where it is today they could have cloaking devices.

yeah, cloaking ... that's just a function of how many zillions of deficit the Pentagon will be allowed to create

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

believe it or not The major cause of the deficit is not the pentagon US Defence spending is still only single digits of GDP. It's nothing compared to the 41% of US GDP in the second world war. As for my Cloaking device I was referencing active near infrared camouflage and visual camouflage technologies which have been becoming more and more practical. Of course no one expects this to be drama free.

 

[Air Force Brat]

let's see the context;
presumably in reference to
this:
part of
#272 Jura, Today at 7:41 AM

you 24 minutes ago

and I disagree with your word "trying", and stick to my original word "telling", as I believe the world-scale advertising campaign of LockMart tells, now using AFB's words again (who apparently likes that campaign):

"what we have found is that agility is no longer the prerequisite fighter requirement after all?"

which for me is just an advertisement info!


let's see the context again;
presumably in reference to this:

part of #272 Jura, Today at 7:41 AM

you 24 minutes ago

here I meant aircraft other than F-22: A-10; F-16; F-18, and while I would've thought you might remember our recent conversation in
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
in this context, I should've specified the aircraft which I meant F-35 is quote unquote slated to replace


yeah, cloaking ... that's just a function of how many zillions of deficit the Pentagon will be allowed to create

LockMart really doesn't care what you or I think brother, they have been quite successful designing and producing Fighter Aircraft for this great nation since long before you were born. They've done a very fine job of it, and to be honest you may be tough, but the F-22 or the F-35 would put you to sleep in a heartbeat, assuming either came in a two seat version..

What you have against LockMart? I don't know? I like Boeing fine, loved the F-15, and love the F-18 of Northrupp Grumman... They've all produced beautiful effective fighter aircraft for our country?? Who will come up with the winner of a 6 gen competition??? I really don't know, but I do know that today while I was at one time a critic and very concerned about the F-35, I have become confidant in the design and execution of each of the three aircraft, and each of these aircraft have been tailored to meet the design objective of that particular aircraft.

So while they do share some commonality in basic design and planform, they are each one designed to meet some very high performance objectives for their respective end users?? I think the F-35 is going to be a very effective airplane, and will exceed the expectation of most of us in the end? I'm not a schill for LockMart, I'm a patriot who appreciates the beauty and success of the most beautiful fighter aircraft on the planet.

Friend or Foe, I give a fair and accurate assessment?? a real world assessment, I listen, I learn, I am a pilot, and something of an engineer?? I did however mispelllll tial, and yes I am a techr!