US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread
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YF-23 here we come!
She's still a "looker" isn't she, and growing on me, now that my own little "Brat World" is seeing the Fight in the F-35, I'm betting that the nex gen girl will incorporate the solid basics of the F-22 and F-35, into a much more stealthy, and possibly more basic, but less "out there" avionics. I believe we won't be trying to "break down walls" as much as "sneak around them", with a much more "translucent" platform.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
YF23 no, That was a product of the fifth gen program. Sixth gen may start off where YF23, F22 and F35 left off but these will be a new type of machine.
actually the YF-23 basic design might be a very fine place to start off, and the USAF was indeed talking about not re-inventing the wheel, realizing that contributed to delays and tremendous cost in 5th gen aircraft, and ultimately the cancellation of the F-22 due to the politics of those issues and the F-22 being overkill.
So the basic airframe shape would lend itself to "reengineering" into the sixth gen quite nicely. The aerodynamics remain sound and the LockMart drawings bear a striking resemblance to the YF-23
Many of the manufacturing processes of the F-35 have produced a very strong titanium welded center fuselage that is robotically welded and relatively inexpensive, of course composites figure quite heavily in modern airframe construction.
As to whether or not there will be a tale, that remains to be seen, but it will be manned, and it will be very stealthy.
Jura The idiot
General
... but I think you've meant tail (there's a thread around here, in which a tail is also unclear
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/sdf-distribution.t8119/
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Although the Lockheed Martin concept art bares a superficial resemblance it's about the same resemblance of a F5 to a F104. Vastly different machines as the concepts behind them are tremendously different. I know I know everyone one loves a black widow but face it when the sixth gen program goes to demonstration in the mid to late 2020s period, YF23 will be thirty years old technology. The end product may resemble YF23 but will most assuredly not be YF23.
How it is intended to be used the sensors it packs will be a quantum leap beyond Raptor or Black widow.
As for my idea of F22C F35E/F/G those would be advanced based on taking existing airframes and upgrading or even the potential for 3D printing to reduce price of procurement for new Raptors Lightnings and whatever the Navy needs to replace the Super bugs.
How it is intended to be used the sensors it packs will be a quantum leap beyond Raptor or Black widow.
As for my idea of F22C F35E/F/G those would be advanced based on taking existing airframes and upgrading or even the potential for 3D printing to reduce price of procurement for new Raptors Lightnings and whatever the Navy needs to replace the Super bugs.
Jura The idiot
General
LOL I think the freakiest description here so far is in
#208 Brumby, Jun 22, 2016
in particular "the fastest OODA Loop wins"
#208 Brumby, Jun 22, 2016
in particular "the fastest OODA Loop wins"
Equation
Lieutenant General
Now gentlemen, I haven't given up all hope...yet! She maybe...MAYBE...coming back as a competitor after all with some slight modification for agility of course!
I agree Equation, and what we have found is that agility is no longer the prerequisite fighter requirement after all? the F-35 will never be the kinematic equal of the F-22, but it no longer needs to be with "fire and forget" weapons used BVR.
The YF-23 was very stealthy, and very fast, and I for one realize that is a winning combination today, as our BVR recognition and situational awareness and our BVR weapons performance have take a quantum leap in performance.
While Terran is absolutely right, aerodynamics are actually a very stable science, and progress is extremely linear at this stage of the game, the 30 year old Raptor will still kick everybody else's AZZ, er "TAIL", "TAIL",,, ahhhh huummmm!
happy now Master Jura, "TAIL", that long floppy thang that hangs off the back of a DAWG??? but my Aussie has a short stubby "TAIL".... he's almost tailess, approaching a 6 gen pooch!
SamuraiBlue
Captain
There are emerging technology beyond the horizon that will change aerodynamics profoundly, namely
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It is being researched around the world in hopes of creating various application like better streamlining of cars for better fuel economy and faster speed, stop/reduce building winds, etc.
If you place them on wings and control them actively they will change the conformance of airflow dramatically making abrupt turns and/or large lift resulting to slower landing speed.
Here is a nice read on about the technology for airplanes.
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It is being researched around the world in hopes of creating various application like better streamlining of cars for better fuel economy and faster speed, stop/reduce building winds, etc.
If you place them on wings and control them actively they will change the conformance of airflow dramatically making abrupt turns and/or large lift resulting to slower landing speed.
Here is a nice read on about the technology for airplanes.
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