Unmanned Combat Ground Vehicle

by78

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Has the use of exoskeletons been popularized and widespread across the PLA? Or at least, the logistics sector?

I'm not sure how widespread they are, since there are no statistics available. Anecdotally, the number of images depicting exoskeletons has seen a dramatic rise in the past four years, so much so that I have stopped sharing them because the novelty factor has worn off.
 

by78

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A brochure on an UGV system from Zhuhai. No translation necessary.

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Two more pages from the marketing brochure for the EEL UGV system.

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tankphobia

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Two more pages from the marketing brochure for the EEL UGV system.

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Having a modular system that can adapt to different battlefield is definitely a big plus for export to overseas customers.

On a side note, surely they can come up with a more menacing name rather than ground eel for a UGV combat system, something more aggressive like direwolf?
 

Aniah

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Having a modular system that can adapt to different battlefield is definitely a big plus for export to overseas customers.

On a side note, surely they can come up with a more menacing name rather than ground eel for a UGV combat system, something more aggressive like direwolf?
I don't know, hearing someone say "send in the eels!" and then watching your troops be destroyed by said "eels" gotta affect morale somehow right?
 

tankphobia

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I don't know, hearing someone say "send in the eels!" and then watching your troops be destroyed by said "eels" gotta affect morale somehow right?
I feel like it won't leave a good impression for rich oils ME nations who are big customers since they aren't really familiar with eels and would find the naming a bit bizzare. Name it after camels or something, since one of the models already have the two 'humps' , at least it will be more effective than 81mm mortars on actual camel's.
 

supersnoop

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Wondering about those ATGM-armed UCGV's shown at Zhuhai... Have the companies demonstrated any proposed usage tactics?

We are seeing in Ukraine a lot of effective use of technicals with ATGM teams, heavy use of AT mines, other ambush tactics as well.
Also in Afghanistan and Iraq, there were a lot of IEDs disguised as "donkey carts" and such.

It would seem like these kinds of UCGV are almost tailor-made for such use. Throw a cam net over and turn on the Thermal Imager, basically you have a much smarter and more accurate version of a mine.
 

tankphobia

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Wondering about those ATGM-armed UCGV's shown at Zhuhai... Have the companies demonstrated any proposed usage tactics?

We are seeing in Ukraine a lot of effective use of technicals with ATGM teams, heavy use of AT mines, other ambush tactics as well.
Also in Afghanistan and Iraq, there were a lot of IEDs disguised as "donkey carts" and such.

It would seem like these kinds of UCGV are almost tailor-made for such use. Throw a cam net over and turn on the Thermal Imager, basically you have a much smarter and more accurate version of a mine.
The caveat to all of this is the effect of EW, so far from Ukraine either the full EW capabilities of modern warfare is not on display or the reality of EW in battlefield is middling at best based on unimpeded UAV usage. If you can still maintain useful range for remote controlled platforms under heavy EW saturation then it could be a useful tool for ambush/fire support, but honestly I believe vehicle mounted NLOS will have more utility versus having robots replace a normal atgm team.
 

supersnoop

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The caveat to all of this is the effect of EW, so far from Ukraine either the full EW capabilities of modern warfare is not on display or the reality of EW in battlefield is middling at best based on unimpeded UAV usage. If you can still maintain useful range for remote controlled platforms under heavy EW saturation then it could be a useful tool for ambush/fire support, but honestly I believe vehicle mounted NLOS will have more utility versus having robots replace a normal atgm team.
For large formations, yes EW will be a big issue. However, there are always targets of opportunity and 2nd line type targets (logistic convoys) which probably wouldn't be covered by EW. These were the worst hit by IEDs in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even if you start including EW assets within a convoy, it would start to stretch resources.

NLOS missiles are going to be a lot more expensive than than something like a SALCOS ATGM on a robot.
 

tankphobia

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For large formations, yes EW will be a big issue. However, there are always targets of opportunity and 2nd line type targets (logistic convoys) which probably wouldn't be covered by EW. These were the worst hit by IEDs in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even if you start including EW assets within a convoy, it would start to stretch resources.

NLOS missiles are going to be a lot more expensive than than something like a SALCOS ATGM on a robot.
I still feel that currently, a delicated atgm team will still be more flexible and effective compared to such a system, for unmanned atgm carriers to be more than a footnote/eyecatcher in a arms expo, it will need autonomous target engagement/hunter killer capabilities, as the sustainment and operation of such a system effort-wise would be equal to if not more than just using people instead.
 
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