Ukrainian War Developments

Status
Not open for further replies.

MarKoz81

Junior Member
Registered Member
What stops Russia from building up military infrastructures and make the deployment permanent?

Permanent deployment doesn't have the same effect.

Consider that just by asking this question you show that you forgot that there is permanent deployment in Crimea, Donbas and Transnistria. There are other permanent military bases in close proximity to Ukraine's borders. Most of those field deployments are little more than long-term field exercises but because they require activity they draw attention and cause negative psychological effects. Similarly if you withdraw the forces it has a positive psychological effects. Make them permanent and people grow numb as the get used to it - both sides, including your soldiers. That's already happened with Donbas.

Permanent infrastructure also costs money to build and maintain and if you withdraw the forces it becomes a resource sink. You can't permanently shift military units because they are significant part of the local economy where they are permanently stationed.

At this rate Ukrainian economy is going to collapse. Put more S400 there and Ukrainian airspace will stay forever uninsurable.

The refusal to insure aircraft in Ukraine's airspace was not caused by Russian activity. It was an economic attack against Ukraine performed by US and UK as part of the ongoing destabilization campaign.

These are the largest aviation insurers:
  • XL Catlin (UK)
  • Wells Fargo (USA)
  • Global Aerospace (Canada)
  • American International Group (USA)
  • Avion Insurance (USA)
  • Hallmark Financial Services (USA)
  • Allianz (aviation insurance branch is based in the UK)
  • Willis Towers Watson (UK)
  • MARSH (USA)
  • Johnson Aviation Insurance (USA)
  • Travers & Associates (USA)
  • Starr Insurance Companies (USA)
  • Gallagher (USA)
These companies didn't need to refuse to insure the flights, they could simply increase the insurance premiums to make all flights economically unviable citing risks.

These are the largest airports in Ukraine and main airlines operating from them:
  • Kiev Boryspil (15 million passengers in 2019) - Ryanair, SkyUp, Ukraine International Airlines
  • Kiev Zhuliany (2,8 million) - WizzAir
  • Lviv (2,2 million) - Ryanair, WizzAir, SkyUp
  • Odessa (1,7 million) - Ryanair, WizzAir, SkyUp
  • Kharkiv (1,3 million) - WizzAir, SkyUp
  • all other airports are below 0,5 million
Ryanair is based in Ireland, WizzAir is Hungarian, SkyUp is a new Ukrainian company founded in 2018, UIA are national airline. If Ryanair and WizzAir which are economy airlines stop flying due to economic reasons and political pressure then the market vanishes because rates skyrocket leading to loss of demand. Ukrainians are not rich so they can't afford to pay exorbitant prices for a limited amount of tickets. The loss of revenue from Ukraine is not significant compared to any loss that could be incurred.

When the market ceases to function it leads to panic which then is exploited by the media to further destabilize the situation.

Not to mention that people in the insurance business are extremely practical people and even if they didn't believe that Russian invasion was imminent they wouldn't want to have "Russian" attack against one of their insured planes be used as a pretext.

-------

You will not understand anything that's happening in Ukraine if you think in terms of American or Russian propaganda and this is what people keep doing - even here.

What's happening is not a Russo-Ukrainian conflict. In broad terms it is a conflict between the US and Russia over Europe where Ukraine is a proxy and a battleground and the conflict has a form of a civil war.

The conflict is resolved by controlling Ukraine's foreign policy. The "armies" are political factions fighting for power in Ukraine. This is another 2014 with two sides stimulating conflict as means of capturing power in Kiyv.

This is why you recently had a march sponsored by US embassy with nationalist factions and this is why we will most likely see Russian-backed counter-activity and then both grow in prominence.

Currently the pro-American and pro-European faction is more numerous and stronger than the pro-Russian faction which leads to the mistaken impression that majority of Ukraine agrees with their positions. But if that was true then Zelensky wouldn't have won by a landslide in 2019 and country-wide support for NATO wouldn't be around 50% as measured before the current crisis began.

Because it is about American influence in Europe NATO membership is key and because in Europe Americans have only "security" as their offer they need to create demand for security hence the ongoing aggressive destabilization efforts.

You can't sell someone a military protectorate if there is nothing to protect them from and Ukrainians understand the nature of conflict with Russia which is why they don't see Crimea or Donbas as an existential threat to their country. That needs to be manufactured by the US to successfully sell security.

The American business model is: "nice country you have, shame if something happened to it... by the way... I might have just the thing you need" because that's the business model of currency exporters.

On a separate note:

What's happening in Ukraine seems to follow what happened in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which included territory of Ukraine, prior to the Partition (1772-1795).

The process went like this:
  1. oligarchs weakened the state to increase their power
  2. growth in oligarchical power led to fight for dominance between factions
  3. factions sought external support offering influence over the state
  4. external support led to destabilization of the country
  5. destabilization stimulated attempts to reform and centralize the state apparatus to regain control
  6. reform causes civil war where treasonous oligarchs ally with external powers to take over the country
  7. the result is either successful takeover by one faction or a partition.
Let's compare:
  1. collapse of USSR as consequence of Belovezha Accords by Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevych
  2. growth of Ukrainian oligarchs until their wealth reached 80% of official GDP
  3. weaker pro-Western faction reaches out to the US for help
  4. "Orange Revolution" (western faction's rise to power), election of Yanukovych (Russian faction return to power), overthrow of Yanukovych (western faction return to power), secession of Crimea and Donbas
  5. Zelensky's governent (attempt to unify and reform the state)
  6. we are here
  7. ?
That is enough for today. Have a good day.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Azov nazi training granny.

View attachment 82791
Momshootposter.jpg
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
America and the UK have already announced they won't be fighting Russia in the Ukraine if they invade. In other words, Ukraine is on their own.

They're trying to provoke Russia into invading the Ukraine, but it won't work. Russia has no reason to invade.

I wonder what the plan will be in 2 days when this imminent Russian invasion doesn't happen? False flag and pretend it happened anyway? Or claim a diplomatic victory over Putin?
 

Abominable

Major
Registered Member
Edit: Seems that the Ukrainian president was just joking lol. Is it too much to ask for him to be serious for such matters...


Can anyone confirm? Seems that things will go down in Wednesday
I like how the CIA haven't bothered with fake evidence like WMD this time, they're just straight up telling us they can predict the future. Do they have crystal balls or something?

Many countries have had build ups on the borders in the past, but in no situation has another country come along and predict one will invade the other on a specific day.
 

anzha

Senior Member
Registered Member
I don't think that's a joke but mobilization message to his army and civilians

The President didn't say it was a joke. One of his staff did.

The US and France have said Russia is set. Long range rockets and artillery have been moved into position. Other units have moved to forward assembly areas.

I hope this is Russia just playing with the US. I doubt it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top