Ukrainian War Developments

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foxmulder said:
That is the thing, half of Ukraine is not hostile to Russia. And West was already hostile so it is now only official. We will live an see, hopefully if this does not start a ww3.
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From the start I've been calling this whole hostile Ukrainian talk bullshit.

There are Ukrainians who hate Russians with a passion, most of those are currently on the eastern currently fighting for their lives. The rest of the country seems largely indifferent on who their political masters are. Sure they may be unhappy with the Russian soldiers being there, but they aren't prepared to launch fedayeen attacks against Russian soldiers.

There's videos of the initial Russian invasion, LOL. Does that look like Hitlers push towards Moscow or Paris?

Ukraine elected pro-Russian candidates twice in elections recognised by the OSCE. The people generally seem to sway towards which ever one is giving the more generous aid package at the time.
 
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Hey, that's the Kool-Aid Putin drank himself.
Sizeable minority sure, not half.
But it's an open question how many alas we'll probably never know the truth if and when Russia is done.
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Just checked, working flawlesly.

Maybe off by 30%, but I don't have reactor to calibrate it .

I will take care, I will target not 10 cgray/hour, but only 5 to be on safe side, if possible : D
 

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Suetham said:
Sweden is also considering and Switzerland, despite its historical neutrality, embarks on Western sanctions on Russians. Putin achieved something that neither Hitler nor the Soviet leaders could: Unite ALL of Europe against Russia.
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not one of them committed any soldiers.

Anyone can go with the flow if there is no threat of awkward questions around body bags.

there is no doubt if russia succeeds, it’s standing in europe will be substantially higher in 5 years than if Ukraine remained independent and joined NATO.
 
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sheogorath said:
Well, you could ask Finns what were they doing back in WW2. Bound to get some really interesting responses, lol
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Basically got trashed by the Soviets in the Winter War 1939-1940 despite fighting heroically. Smart enough to eat a dirtpoor deal to survive intact as a nation. Tried to regain lost territory allied with Germany in ww2 but picked the wrong side. Still smart enough to eat another harsh deal with the Soviets by chasing the remaining german forces out of the country. That deal was further loss of territory, forced neutrality and no NATO membership (without permission) in return of remaining a sovereign nation. This type of deal is now called Finlandization.

Actually very relevant for the current situation in Ukraine.
 
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Basically got trashed by the Soviets in the Winter War 1939-1940 despite fighting heroically. Smart enough to eat a dirtpoor deal to survive intact as a nation. Tried to get regain lost territory allied with Germany in ww2 but picked the wrong side. Still smart enough to eat another harsh deal with the Soviets by chasing the remaining german forces out of the country. That deal was further loss of territory, forced neutrality and no NATO membership in return of remaning a sovereign nation. This type of deal is now called Finlandization.

Actually very relevant for the current situation in Ukraine.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Finnish denial of being in bed with Nazis and trying to paint it as something fortituous despite the fact they were running concentration camps and several members of the elite were politically related to people like Goering. I mean Finland's Air Force command still had a swastika as their emblem two years ago.

Notorious buddhists those finns

But your explanation is also valid.
 
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