Ukrainian War Developments

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xypher

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Interesting report ... :oops:

Russia's state news agency RIA published an article early on Saturday celebrating Russia's quick victory over Ukraine. Putin is praised there for having restored the "unity of Russia" by defeating Ukraine. The article was obviously prepared in case of the expected quick victory - and then published by mistake. The article was then removed from the web again, but can still be accessed in web archives.

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That's true, you can access this article through the archive -
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. Idk who the fuck Petr Akopov is but he is definitely a nationalist and some of the language is highly questionable - e.g. "final solution of the Ukrainian question" (
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) and "Russian world". There are reasonable points as well, e.g. about the center of power moving from Atlantic to Pacific.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Not anymore thanks to Russia.
The big fat price was Europe. Russia is the consolation-prize geopolitically so better take it.
Discretely ;)
Europe was never really possible since 2017. The propaganda campaign overdrive made it impossible to deal with the EU public. Sweden went from being one of the most pro China to one of the most anti China within 2-3 years so this proves EU ties were never that strong.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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It was the US that threatened the national security of Russia.
Rubbish. No country with at least a hundred nuclear warheads is currently threatened by invasion. And definitely not Russia with 6.400+
What at stake was influence which Russia was losing rapidly in Ukraine. The invasion is just a last-ditch desperate move which will cost Russia more than it gains. Imo of course.
 

Sardaukar20

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Losses are probably even more. The website only compiles confirmed losses with videographic evidence. I think its reasonable to assume that there are a lot more losses which are not in photos or videos.

In any case, a military's top priority is on achieving its key military objective.
Btw not copium, but as long as the objective is reached without catastrophic losses then that's ok for me

In any case, Russia has obviously prioritized speed over going slower but being more safe.
Let's not forget too that Ukrainian losses are definitely much higher than what is being reported. The Russian MOD said that Ukrainian losses are many times the Russian losses. Judging by the lopsided damage being inflicted by Russia, it does appear to be relatively true. The West and the Ukrainians would not dare discuss Ukrainian loses. Why? Is it because its gonna look ugly?

Apart from losses, mass surrendering is rampant among the Ukrainian Army. There was no mass surrendering on the Russian side, only small isolated groups here and there who were outnumbered and overwhelmed. Why does the Kiev regime need to raise their own Volkssturm from civilians and prisoners in such a hurry? If the Ukrainians were truly winning the war, their army should be around to do the fighting. Kiev and Kharkov would not have been surrounded if the Ukrainian Army did beat back the Russians.

What you're doing here is the classic "bean counting" the U.S. Military did in the Vietnam War. The military officers pressed their junior officers to produce the numbers of casualties inflicted against the enemy to be used and gauged in how well the military campaign was doing. The concept itself was the by product of Robert McNamara (whiz kid of Ford) business like approach to the military.

The problem with that idiotic concept was it gave the American public the false sense of confidence that since their American military machine was producing supposed lop sided tactical battle engagements (based on the Pentagon released evidence) then the war must have been going well. But we all know that wasn't the case.

We need to really look at this unfortunate and undesirable conflict from a strategic lens so that a proper assessment can be made as to whether Russian political-military objectives are being met or not. And based on the progress on the Russian side, it appears that they are achieving their goal which is to encircle Kyiv.
Exactly. What @sequ was doing was classic bean counting. Its similar to the 'body count' concept that the US employed in the Vietnam War. We all know how that went. Seeing Russian vehicles blown up and soldiers killed does evoke strong emotions. Those on the side of Ukraine celebrate. While those on the side of Russia gets sad and frustrated. But the real war is the one being fought on the map. Tactical defeats hurt, but strategic defeats are fatal. Russia is suffering a number of tactical defeats, but Ukraine is suffering strategic defeats. Even the West is extremely doubtful of a Ukrainian victory in this war.

Last August, Biden told Ashraf Ghani to lie to the world that Afghanistan is alright. That the Taliban is losing. We all knew what happened next. Ukraine's defeat is only a matter of time, the facts on the ground are showing it. When that time comes, all these people who were drunk from the Ukrainian koolaid are gonna be shocked into a nasty reality.
 
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Tootensky

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Well Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia managed to keep them flying for 30+ years so I'm guessing they have stocks of spares? Anyway, only need to last long enough to kick Putin's halfwit drunken incompetents out then Ukraine can replace them with F16s.
Well, Polish MiG-29s had issues a couple of years ago, and like half of them came from East Germany... Basically they've been ridden, and ridden hard. Funny thing is, with this move we'll be left with 48 f-16s. Brilliant move.
 
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