Ukrainian War Developments
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solarz
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So they want war.
I am not sure Ukraine had access to codes of those weopons so giving up is not some favor.
Ukraine does not have its own Nuclear industry. it still has to import nuclear fuel to run its nuclear plants.
if Ukraine feels they need it. they can built weopons with own money and technical people.
While I dislike CIA-backed revolutions and NATO expansion, I do have some sympathy why Eastern European states want collective treaty protection after centuries of Russian colonization. Is it bad to recognize that Ukraine has been colonized/occupied by Tsarist Russia and Soviet Union for centuries and they actually want independence? Russia using military force to intimidate Ukraine doesn't really achieve it's objective, it forces Ukraine to seek even more protection. If Russia covets Ukraine has a "Sphere of Influence", then it's fucked either way, NATO troops or no NATO troops.
Russia should NOT invade Crimea, and West should NOT sponsor CIA-backed revolution in Ukraine.
Russia should NOT intimidate CIA-backed puppet Ukraine with military force, and NATO should NOT prey upon Russia's weakness to expand NATO troops up to Russia's borders.
How about BOTH two nations are SHITTY actors? Chian should be cautious.
US and Russia are both imperialistic powers and China should be cautious and not takes sides.
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I disagree, Ukrainians being dug-in in this case will not do much good because they are so few in numbers compared to the length of the front line they need to defend. its combat power will be further depleted if it is unable to receive relief from west ukraine due to all bridges over the dnipro destroyed. this is of course assuming a full-blown conflict with Russia leading the show.
I don't think there are many people here who talk in moral terms. This is all about national interests of Russia, Ukraine, US, EU, China
If you see people here defending Russia IMO its more about the national interests of China.
As for Chinese national interests towards Ukraine, Ukraine better pay back the money it stole from China
Regarding Ukraine and Eastern Europe wanting security against Russia, I understand them, but these aren't the concerns of China
There is another question. The Russians not annexing the eastern part of Ukraine, would leave the problem of Ukraine's accession to NATO paralyzed, that's because a country at war cannot enter the organization, Biden has already stated that the decision to join NATO would be made in a few minutes decade, the Biden government has been pushing Ukraine's entry decision to another US government because it knows the situation will not resolve itself now.
Exactly. In my view, Putin wants Donbass to remain an autonomous territory in Ukraine and does not want to invade that region to maintain direct influence on Ukrainian politics, if Russia invades and annexes eastern Ukraine, the Donbass problem is over and Ukraine can join at NATO. As the Ukrainians and their political class want to retake Donbass, the situation is being postponed until the effective conclusion of this civil war, with Putin materially feeding the pro-Russian rebels in Donbass.
If Russia conquers Donbass, the Russians will be left without any negotiating structure with Ukraine, leaving the country free to join NATO, thus they will lose the direct influence they have over Ukrainian politics, taking now indirect actions that will not be proportions to unbalance a country as the Russians have been doing so far with the rebels.
The Russians will only annex Donbass if the Ukrainian Army tries to reconquer Donbass.
For example, in July 2014, when three Ukrainian mechanized brigades were advancing towards Udon (Donbass), they were completely destroyed by Russian artillery in the border area. The Russian army first used its powerful electronic warfare capabilities to completely cut off all communication and command systems of the Ukrainian army and interfered with the radar system, leaving the Ukrainian army in chaos and without a leader. Subsequently, the UAV guided several Russian army artillery groups with precision-guided artillery shells, and Ukrainian mechanized troops in the marching state carried out the destruction of the roads. After all the battle, the Ukrainian army was defeated by accurate and swift artillery, even without seeing a Russian soldier. This is the time for dimensionality reduction attacks. You just want to work hard, but you can't find where the enemy is.
The Ukrainians feel very confident in the Javelins and the Turkish drone Bayraktar and are trying to co-opt NATO to assist in the retaking of Donbass, but for now it is not having an effect, the Russians simply manage to carry out the C-UAV war efficiently, the Russians have a large company-level C-UAV apparatus in the Russian Army. It won't be like Nargono.
The problem with this invasion is about the logistical challenges that Russia would face if it decides to invade.
The Russian army will likely have difficulty conducting a ground offensive of more than 90 miles beyond the borders of the former Soviet Union without a logistical break. For NATO, it means it can worry less about a major Russian invasion and a greater focus on exploiting Russian logistical challenges, further pulling Russian forces away from their supply depots and targeting bottlenecks in the logistical infrastructure and logistical force. Russian in general. It also means that Russia is more likely to seize small parts of enemy territory in its logistically sustainable 90-mile range, rather than a major invasion as part of a de facto strategy.
From a Russian perspective, it doesn't seem like they're building their logistical forces with a fait accompli or blitzkrieg across the Ukrainian border in mind. Instead, the Russian government built an ideal army for its “Active Defense” strategy. The Russian government has built highly capable armed forces to fight on national soil or near its border and strike deeply with long-range fire. However, they are not capable of a sustained ground offensive far beyond the Russian railways without a major logistical stop or massive mobilization of reserves.
Deciphering Russia's intentions is now increasingly difficult. Its military buildup on the Ukrainian border could be preparation for an invasion or it could be another round of coercive diplomacy. However, thinking about Russia's military logistics capabilities could give NATO some insights into what Moscow might be planning to do next — and what the Western alliance might do to protect its interests.
I see Russian mobilization more as a form of military coercion of a likely Ukrainian intervention in Donbass with Western help, the Russians simply won't let that happen and do nothing and Putin just doesn't want to be undiplomatic and completely tear up the Minsk Protocol and not be the voice of the reason for this conflict. The Ukraine itself urged Ukraine to place more than 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers in the front line with Donbass, to strengthen Udon and face the Russian army, the Russian media claims that they are displacing a lot of artillery equipment.
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