Ukrainian War Developments

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FishWings

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There probably a lot more info on Russian websites but they are either Shadow banned or blocked.
Otvaga2004 is a pretty good site for updates. More biased towards RU, as expected. so maybe find some balance from this and from western forums.

https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2460
https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2464
https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2466
 

tamsen_ikard

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Who's naive? Large west european militaries existed during the cold war even in ecomically bad times out of necessity.
I don't remember those times as particular trending towards far right tendencies but there wasn't room for left-wing ideology in the realpolitik realm either.

Anyways, for now pure speculation.
We'll have to wait for what the geopolitical / military analysts have to say.

Back then US was not out. It was in, big time with like a million US soldiers in Europe. The threat of Communism was a big threat back then as well. Now there is no threat of Regime change happening in any EU country. Far right parties are gaining strength and winning in many countries in Europe. Even in Germany they are quite strong. So, times are quite different now.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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That's just silly.
Do you really think German can really "re-arm" with just a increase to 2% GDP? What does the Germans have right now? Expensive tanks and IFVs.

Dude, ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, bombers, cruisers, Aircraft carriers, SSN's, these are the bare minimum of what "re-armament" really means. A small little increase to 2% does nothing to Germany, nor EU. Increase to 20%, and they will still need half a decade to bring the R&D and production momentum up.
It isn't just an increase to 2% GDP.
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The german reorientation is almost as significant as if Japan decided to acquire own nucelar weapons (which is also a distinct outcome of the Russian attack).
So not small potatoes geopolitically.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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It isn't just an increase to 2% GDP.
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The german reorientation is almost as significant as if Japan decided to acquire own nucelar weapons (which is also a distinct outcome of the Russian attack).
So not small potatoes geopolitically.
German weapons can't cost effectively compete with China or Russia at this point, no matter how much they invest. They'll be forced to buy US in the end instead at least for navy and air force. In the short run, due to lack of US production capability, it'll simply raise prices rather than result in overall expansion of WESTBLOC military capability. In the long run, they'll get more production capability, but then Germany's going to lose something else: higher taxes, less investment into economic reform, lower welfare, etc. And these in turn all affect economic and social stability.

This is not an increase in overall WESTBLOC capability, it is just centralizing more of WESTBLOC capability on the US itself than sharing it 50/50 with EU.
 

MortyandRick

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Otvaga2004 is a pretty good site for updates. More biased towards RU, as expected. so maybe find some balance from this and from western forums.

https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2460
https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2464
https:// otvaga2004 . mybb. ru/viewtopic.php?id=2466
Thanks
Unfortunately it was hard to translate to English.
 

reservior dogs

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I think its becoming obvious that this is becoming the final struggle for the fate of Ukraine. Its either Russia destroys the Ukrainian state and nationalist thinking. Or they back down and Ukraine joins EU and Nato. There is no negotiated solution. There is no compromise solution.

Now the question is: Is russia capable enough to destroy Ukraine as a state and taking over without harming itself too much. The Western empire will certainly throw everything except direct war to try to degrade Russia and force a regime change. So, if Russia give up, I don't think they can survive as a state as they are now. Their power, prestige and even national territory is probably at stake right now.

As for China, I don't think they can enjoy from the sidelines much longer. The western empire's next goal will not be lets focus less on China to take down Russia first, but let devote more resources to take down both at once. So, they will put more resources on the line. So, more military budget, more sanctions on China, more support for Taiwan, more military moves in the pacific, more financial support in Africa.

So, the western empire will use greater percentage of its GDP to fight against China and Russia.

They will only stop when the western empire encounters an economic crisis and recession. Only then there will be some pause and perhaps reflection. Until then, its going to be full on proxy, economic, social battle
The EU now extending NATO membership to Ukraine because they know Ukraine is going to fall and there is no chance of them actually doing it. It smack of hypocrisy.

The West, for the last few years, already focused like a laser at containing China and had thrown in the kitchen sink. The results have gone from bad to worse. Now we have to fight a two front war, which is never a good thing. This is especially true when Russia was never going to have the ability to challenge the U.S. Only China matter in this geopolitical calculus. Now the West (really just the U.S.) must devote considerable energy on the European front and forget about a reverse Nixon, though that was never likely to be on the cards anyway.

Barring a hot war with China, their nominal GDP will pass us by in a few years. It is much more likely that in the future, there will be a arms race between China and the U.S. and we would lose this arms race. The economy of the U.S. is on very shaky ground at this minute, propped up by all that debt. I think we should give up this whole business of China containment and focus on ourselves, but the chances are, the horrible leadership we have and the squabbling political class will take us down a path of rapid decline. Looking back from the future, the year 2021 and 2022 may mark the beginning of the end for the U.S. empire.
 
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