Ukrainian War Developments

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9dashline

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After almost 7000 posts on the subject I don’t think anyone mentioned the true underlying cause of the Ukraine crisis (or other flashpoints around the globe post COVID) — the global economic pie is getting smaller. Nations are like rats trapped in a cage with a wheel of shrinking cheese, and carnage is inevitable.
I was told by some not to talk about diminishing EROEI, Peak Oil, Global Energy Crisis, The Energy Trap, Negative Sum Pie, and how the purchasing power of money is actually propped up by the work-multiplier-effect made possible by cheap and abundant energy, etc etc etc

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FriedButter

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it looks like they're keeping their ENTIRE strategic aviation and naval aviation on reserve. They seem to be expecting foreign intervention.
I do believe that is very possible. Early a couple days ago, there was a tweet of a potential mobilization and relocate of civilian medical personnel. Doubt it’s for Ukraine.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Where Germany goes the rest of EU follows.

That's a combine 18 Trillion USD GDP economy (the same as China) rearming after three decades of military neglect and fully in the US camp now thanks to Putin.

Somewhere Xi Jinping must be banging his head against the wall screaming something along the lines of "with friends like this, who needs enemies"
nope because unlike China and Russia their costs are too high and unlike China in particular they don't have the software, semiconductor and automation capabilities.

Compare German Saschen class frigate with Type 054A. Same displacement and armament but 2x the cost and 50% more crew.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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Its very naive and easy to think that Germans and Europeans did not rearm because they don't want to. Its because they can't. You cannot create a militaristic society with a huge military without stroking nationalism. Military might and pride in your own nation goes hand in hand. When that happens, what is stopping Germans to think that maybe they don't need to live under American boots. What is stopping a far right government from coming to power and stroke racist sentiments against Slavic polish people who took German land for example.

What is stopping Poland from becoming even more nationalistic and thinking of taking over their lost lands?


Remember the original purpose of Nato: To keep germans down and keep americans in. So, if Americans are getting out to focus on China, and Germans are no longer kept down and becomes militarily powerful, The likelihood of rise in nationalism and eventual break up of Nato will increase.

Anything that increases nationalism and far right tendency is good for Russia and good for China who wants to break the EU alliance into smaller pieces that are fighting each other.

Who's naive? Large west european militaries existed during the cold war even in ecomically bad times out of necessity.
I don't remember those times as particular trending towards far right tendencies but there wasn't room for left-wing ideology in the realpolitik realm either.

Anyways, for now pure speculation.
We'll have to wait for what the geopolitical / military analysts have to say.
 
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