Ukrainian War Developments

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xypher

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@xypher bro the suffering is both ways, every action there is a reaction, it will be a battle of endurance. As you said Russia will be cut off BUT China will definitely help for selfish and geopolitical reason, it may lessen the pain BUT how about Europe and the US are they capable of enduring that pain? the Gulf state are staying neutral and are against higher oil production. So where are the nation of the willing? why is Japan and SK staying quiet. Only the Five eyes are the willing actor cause if doesn't affect them immediately and only the fools in EU are willing to spike their own face.
Japan already imposed sanctions and SK is going to as well. Gulf states are against rising production because for now Biden & co are tiptoeing around the energy sector, so they don't want to lower prices. If Russian energy sector gets sanctioned (or Putin turns the deliveries off), then we will see price spikes and oil & gas producers rushing to fill the void. I bet Iran is going to benefit heavily and will be able to negotiate their deal more favorably.

China won't be enough to fully replace the lost trade plus it is not easy to divert current supplies to China because European gas is pumped off Western Siberia and the only way to get from it to China is through Central Asian pipe system which is already loaded with gas & oil from CA countries.
 

gelgoog

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gotta save money on fuel.
It is not just that. You save on wear and tear by using rail transport too.
I do not think that is Russian military hardware though. It looks Belarussian to me.
They might be getting ready in case any Ukrainian military tries to attack Belarus to hit Russia's units there.

I can see how that’s a strategy but it just seems extremely cruel. Sending in troops in weak vehicles and not providing sufficient air support. The exploratory push should’ve been done in the first day and drones should’ve been used.
Well, tanks do not have good visibility, and have poor gun elevation. BMP-3 also does not have good gun elevation. Arguably best vehicle you could use for this is BTR-82A with new turret.
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I assume they are doing reconnaissance with light units first and this way, with light armored vehicles, the enemies with light arms will expose themselves. Since most Ukr don't have proper ATGMs, they weren't distributed widely yet and most were in warehouses, they would hide from heavy armor vehicles. So this will flush them out more quickly, but is dangerous in terms of casualties.
Air units would be of limited use since there is plenty of cover in cities.

They don't have enough of them. Due to their shaky industrial base, they are behind in drone development and procurement. They also do not want to buy from China. I think it is because they have a defense export business and therefore a reputation to keep. If they start buying everything from drones to destroyers from China, it might cause even more drop in arms sale.
They have finished construction of a production line for Orion recently You should start seeing them in service soon enough.

Yeah I think EU said they would sanction Belarus equally for facilitating Russian logistics.
Yes. Europe's largest potash supplier. Russia captured one of the world's main agricultural exporters which is Ukraine.
Russia also is one of Europe largest natural gas suppliers, which is used to make nitrogen fertilizer. Most fertilizer plants in Europe have been shut down for months already because of high natural gas prices. So, if natural gas supply from Europe dries up, and Russia doesn't export fertilizer too, oops. The EU are a bunch of idiots.

People who are talking bs about how great or normal life in Russia is going to be after this invasion are simply retarded, sorry for the foul language. I will gladly exchange places with people who really think that way but I am pretty sure you will rather keep living in China, US, UK or whatever country you reside in rather than move in to Russia, right? You don't want to bear the consequences because you deep down understand that behind all the bravado the blow to Russian economy is going to be devastating.
Yes it is. They have been basically sanctioned like if they were Iran. They are the world's #2 oil producer.
Sure they will suffer. But you know what, the EU is going to suffer way more, remember when they gloated over the blackouts in China?
Europe's blackouts and industry shutdowns are going to be much worse.

We are going to see rouble crashing down further, banking system crumbling, full tech embargo, trade evaporating, and political isolation - QoL will drop drastically. There was nothing genius about Putin's move, it was pure desperation and the result of Russia not having enough clout to solve the problems otherwise. Stop sucking his cock for a moment, and look at situation objectively - he sacrificed average citizen for geopolitical objectives, that's it. Whether you consider these geopolitical goals worthy enough is up to you.
No country would put financial well being over security. Once Poland and Ukraine were in NATO and fully armed it would put Russia in an extremely dangerous position.
 

xypher

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As i said North is North. South is South. these countries will come to bargaining table. do you know how important is Suez canal/Egypt for rest of Arab world. what will be Russia price for keep things reasonable?
Turkey is well known to squeeze Europe.

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And what will Russia do about Suez canal? Btw, are you in Russia right now, do you live there?
 

xypher

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Yes it is. They have been basically sanctioned like if they were Iran. They are the world's #2 oil producer.
Sure they will suffer. But you know what, the EU is going to suffer way more, remember when they gloated over the blackouts in China?
Europe's blackouts and industry shutdowns are going to be much worse.

No country would put financial well being over security. Once Poland and Ukraine were in NATO and fully armed it would put Russia in an extremely dangerous position.
Idc what is going to happen to Europe, I am more concerned about my situation. They can have all the blackouts they want, lol. Poland is already in NATO and all other Russian neighbors just got massive stimulus to join NATO.

Btw, where do you live? It is easy to talk about putting "security" over economic well-being when you won't be bearing the consequences.
 

ansy1968

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Japan already imposed sanctions and SK is going to as well. Gulf states are against rising production because for now Biden & co are tiptoeing around the energy sector, so they don't want to lower prices. If Russian energy sector gets sanctioned (or Putin turns the deliveries off), then we will see price spikes and oil & gas producers rushing to fill the void. I bet Iran is going to benefit heavily and will be able to negotiate their deal more favorably.

China won't be enough to fully replace the lost trade plus it is not easy to divert current supplies to China because European gas is pumped off Western Siberia and the only way to get from it to China is through Central Asian pipe system which is already loaded with gas & oil from CA countries.
@xypher Agree bro, The Russian had decided and the initial suffering will be devastating BUT like the end result of Crimea annexation , Russia had become stronger thereafter, you can't block out the largest commodity producer out of the Market, within a month, Europe will dial back those sanction BUT will the Russian reciprocate, replacing Europe with China as their main customer?
 

JayFalsum

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Japan already imposed sanctions and SK is going to as well. Gulf states are against rising production because for now Biden & co are tiptoeing around the energy sector, so they don't want to lower prices. If Russian energy sector gets sanctioned (or Putin turns the deliveries off), then we will see price spikes and oil & gas producers rushing to fill the void. I bet Iran is going to benefit heavily and will be able to negotiate their deal more favorably.

China won't be enough to fully replace the lost trade plus it is not easy to divert current supplies to China because European gas is pumped off Western Siberia and the only way to get from it to China is through Central Asian pipe system which is already loaded with gas & oil from CA countries.
I feel like after these emotionally driven sanctions start to comeback biting the common folks in the EU, politicians would start dancing around lifting sanctions. Of course with Daddy America watching, they would have to dance on a knife's edge.
 

Temstar

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Big update: an abandoned T-80U has been found in Poltava Province, to South West of Kharkiv. That must mean 4th Guard Tank Division has circled around Kharkiv and is penetrating into the rear area. This has potential to cause some major disruption to the Ukrainian forces still fighting in the east, possible encirclement of all the forces in the east.
 

victoon

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how (likely many) Russians feel about invasion of Ukraine: ashamed!
So, please show some empathy for both sides, especially Ukrainians.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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how (likely many) Russians feel about invasion of Ukraine: ashamed!
So, please show some empathy for both sides, especially Ukrainians.
What’s the point of this video and how would the users who don’t speak Mandarin understand what they are saying? Please show some understanding for those who don’t understand Mandarin.
 
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