Ukrainian War Developments
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Yea... but history has also shown that whenever both Germany and France are armed, they end up fighting each other.
On the other hand, Europe doesn't really have the demographics to field large armies anymore, nor do they have much interest.
In any case, this discussion should have its own thread (i.e. geostrategic consequences of Ukranian war.)
There will be no cessation of trade between Europe and China. This is because the Chinese market is huge and cutting trade will harm Europe just as much as China.
The U.S. of course can order Europe not to do certain trades. We already don't allow EUV machines, so nothing changed there. We can use this event to stop more trades, but we can use any event to do so if it suits our interest, we don't need a real excuse. The fact that we don't today means it is not in our interest to do so and the Russian invasion will not trigger such an event.
The true strategic goal of the military is to keep the future competitions confined to the political, economic and diplomatic spheres. I did not say to forget or neglect the military. The past transgressions occured due to the belief that the cost of a military solution to conflicts with China was of an acceptable cost. I am not advocating pacifism! I am advocating that the military must possess the moral high ground in order maintain the morale and commitment of the soldiers should a military conflict come to pass. Soldiers must believe in the cause that they are to die for. The government MUST give a genuine attempt at diplomacy and peace before a military conflict. Both the Second Sino-Japanese war and Korea war were preceeded by major and genuine attempts at diplomacy and compromise.
Your quoting from a source which yesterday claimed Ukraine retook Antonov airport.
For all you know, that destroyed convoy is Ukrainian.
EU was never going to be in China’s camp period. In what world was this ever going to happen? I am quite curious as to where this idea comes from? China is different culturally, religion, historically, and most important and obvious of all it's current political system is anathema to European Democratic political system that's China's ruling party and government which is the Communist Party Of China (CPC).
China may have been viewed as relatively harmless when it's economic might and heft wasn't as huge as they are now so Europe was more than willing to entertain their western assumptions that like a good little boy China will either succumb to the allure of liberalism a.k.a. democratization of the country and or will be forever stuck into the low value products factory of the world. But this is no longer the reality of their world hence the EU despite it's philosophical differences and skirmishes with their cultural brethren and superior that is the U.S. will always be able to find commonality, common ground and common cause with America. Just check the comment of EU top foreign policy person, Josef Borrel. The idea that the world will be led or might be led by a non-white, non-Christian country for the 1st time in 500 years is something they can't fathom to accept and will not accept if they can help it period.
So let's not pretend that the world we all live in is indeed based on dumb ass values that have no real meaning in reality. Western based Asians like most of us may have swallowed this tripe (Andrew Yang variety) but are always dumbfounded and stuck on stupid when anti-China, anti-Asian hits them in their face figuratively and literally. Where's them Liberal color blind values?
They were armed to the teeth all through the 80s and they never fought. France is a nuclear power.
Germany wasn't unified in the 80s.
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can we keep China and Taiwan out of this thread?
Russia has no patience and acts
China has patience and plays the long game
You cannot compare the two countries foreign policy
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