Ukrainian War Developments

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Anlsvrthng

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Russia deployed Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela three times, in 2008-2013-2018.

By this pattern they will deploy in 2023, but now they can do it earlier. Like this wekend/next week.And it could be just the begining this time.

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Most likelly they will deploy Tu-160 / Tu-95 to Venezuela, and they will start to roll out the deployment of units from Veneyuela to Cuba and possibly Nicaragua .

USA will be "happy" and "calm", and will be capable to evaluate "objectively" the events in the light of Ukranan events.


JULY 22, 2008 - -

U.S. general warns against Russian bombers in Cuba​


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A top U.S. Air Force officer warned on Tuesday that Russia would be crossing “a red line” if it were to use Cuba as a refueling base for nuclear-capable bombers.

Gen. Norton Schwartz, whose nomination to become the Air Force’s top military officer is being considered by the Senate, was asked at his confirmation hearing how he would advise U.S. policymakers if Russia were to proceed with such a plan.

Russia’s Izvestia newspaper this week quoted a “highly placed source” as saying Russia could land Tu-160 supersonic bombers nicknamed “White Swans” in Cuba as a response to a planned U.S. missile defense shield in Europe, which Moscow opposes.

Wow, what could be the reason of the Russians to respect the red lines of the USA ?
I mean, red lines are there to go thorught of them, isn't it ?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Russia deployed Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela three times, in 2008-2013-2018.

By this pattern they will deploy in 2023, but now they can do it earlier. Like this wekend/next week.And it could be just the begining this time.

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Most likelly they will deploy Tu-160 / Tu-95 to Venezuela, and they will start to roll out the deployment of units from Veneyuela to Cuba and possibly Nicaragua .

USA will be "happy" and "calm", and will be capable to evaluate "objectively" the events in the light of Ukranan events.


JULY 22, 2008 - -

U.S. general warns against Russian bombers in Cuba​


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Wow, what could be the reason of the Russians to respect the red lines of the USA ?
I mean, red lines are there to go thorught of them, isn't it ?
About the same level of respect the U.S. Russia's Red line which is pfft what red line? All we see is we don't give a you know what.
 

gelgoog

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Experts Offer Counter to Putin's Invasion of Ukraine:
1) Occupy Kaliningrad
2) Cyber-Shutdown Military Targets in St. Petersburg,
3) Deploy anti-ship and anti-armor missiles,
4) Increase medium-range missile batteries in Poland,
5) Close the Bosporus Strait to Russian flagged ships.

They invade Kaliningrad and Russia invades the Baltics next.
 

sheogorath

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I used to respect the presenter, Jive Turkey AKA Aaron:


I used to as well, but someone quite knowledgeable in Soviet/Russian Submarines in r/submarines has caught the dude fabricating facts, lying and outright talking about shit out of his area of expertise(US sonars) that it makes me wonder how much of the shit he says its made up.
 

j17wang

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Disagree in principle. China would need to support Russia in essence, but do it in a way that gives the US some leeway to interpret it as minimally compliant to avoid economic MAD.

There are two areas of the US/Western sanctions that potentially can have relatively large impact on Russia and collaterally on China. One is financial system, or more specifically dollar-related transactions, the other is technology, or specially semiconductors and ICs.

For financial systems, China should take the sanctions as an opportunity to set up an alternative system to get around dollar. This system will be open to everyone but particularly to Russia, Iran and other countries and entities under the US sanctions, including Chinese entities. Russia and Iran (and Venezuela etc.) have oil, gas and other commodities, while China has big market for them. The system and trades and transactions will be conducted in yuan and other currencies willing to participate (Euro and yen are welcome). China will have its dollar-dealing institutions separately (or the same institutions with separate systems) unless and until the US takes on China, when it will become an all out financial and economic war. This alternative system will serve as a deterrence to the US abuse of dollars' reserve status. The burden is on the US to go nuclear.

For the technologies, again, a separate, de-Americanized supply chain is needed, something that China is developing currently anyway because many of its companies are under the US sanctions already. Some areas are still to be affected at least in short-term, particularly in B2B market involving large, critical equipment (EUV and like), but I struggle to imagine how the sanctions are going to be enforced in consumer industries and many of the secondary markets for equipment, especially when there are numerous of them. China will not actively enforce them. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

The key thing to remember is that China is in this fight not just for Russia; if Russia is significantly weakened because of western sanctions, China will be next. Think of this way: when Mao was facing the decision on whether to enter the Korean War, it was not about fighting the war or not, it was about fighting the war in Korea now or fighting the war on Chinese borders or even Chinese territory later.

China must provide complete and unconditional support for Russia. If russia collapses, the west will try to turn it into another failed puppet state, and turn against the last state capable of resisting the american world empire, China. Russia is not the endgame for the west, its always been china.

While the balance of power of United States + 5 Eyes is still somewhat greater than that of SCO, keep in mind that the Soviet Union was able to withstand US unipolarity for over 50 years. SCO is much more agile, adaptable, modern, and politically astute than the Soviet Union and Mao's China of old.

Russia and China would need to coordinate actions to banning all US flights over its airspace. This would potentially make more difficult for the US to trade and communicate across the world continent. A reciprocal flight ban by US or even Canada would have less effect since Russia and China would only lose access to those direct adversaries.

China and Russia need to establish working groups now to cover mutual areas of supply chain weakness. For example, china needs to supplement russian chip and civilian manufacturing capabilities, while russia can secure chinese access to select military capabilities (especially with TOT in aerospace engines). Furthermore, china needs to start giving increased aid to pakistani, iranian, and other allies. They would be much weaker to fall from the effects of sanctions compared to resistance capabilities of Russia or China, and Russia and China need to deny access to those markets from the united states and its allies as america tries to squeeze china out of the same markets. Ultimately, if China and Russia could support a combined bloc of roughly 2 billion people, it would be of sufficientl scale and scope to weather total economic and scientific sanctions from the combined American anglosphere over the coming decades.
 

j17wang

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Tucker: Imagine if Mexico fell under the direct military control of China. We would see that as a threat. There would be no reason for that. That’s how Russia views NATO control of Ukraine and why wouldn’t they?

Reading the responses to Tucker Carlson's segment fills me with great worry. It seems that these brainwashed neocon/neolib minions , russophobes, pro-imperialists genuinely want World War III.

This level of brainwash/brain rot I would have expected from citizens of the Third Reich or North Korea not from the US or any of its vassal states. What the hell is going on here !??

Wouldnt hurt for China to provide Mexico with nuclear weapons engineering and ICBM technologies just for "shitz and giggles". Let mexico scrap this valuable data or turn it down, or let the US threaten the country again with another dismemberment. Give mexico the tools to determine its own soverienty, but ultimately the choice is in its own people alone.
 

gelgoog

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I do not know how some people think Putin is running the whole show by himself. It is like the rest of the government or even Russian society in general does not exist. The fact is Putin is just an outlet for what their establishment wants. I think it was quite clear, at least to me, that this initiative was not Putin's in the first place, and there are strong tendencies in the security forces who want a more final stance and solution to the problem of NATO expansion in general. The Russians were never that fond of it even when Yeltsin was in power he regularly talked against NATO expansion. The Russians also sent peacekeepers to Yugoslavia even back then when their state was still pretty weak.

I see parallels between what is happening right now and what the Soviet Union did prior to WW2. Back then the Soviets wanted a security cordon around their inner core in European Russia. This meant pushing the border out into Finland and getting the Baltics under control. They first tried a negotiated solution but when this failed they started the Winter War.

I think the US and NATO should ignore Russia's demands at their own peril.
 
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