Ukrainian War Developments

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Phead128

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Hua Chunying unloading venom on U.S. State Department spokesperson Ned Price, who said that China should respect the principle of sovereignty and has an obligation to urge Russia to back down the Ukraine issue.

Hua Chunying brings up the shameful history of US wars stretching back hundreds of years. Ouch!
@Phead128 Hua Chunying basically answered all those questions about China-Russia relations that you guys were arguing about.

She did a great job, I'd give her A+.

She strongly emphasized that China upholds international law, principles, and sovereignty, and struck a perfect balance of avoiding US trap of openly berating Russian imperialistic actions, but also condemn US double-standards and hypocrisy on international law. So overall neutral, with more anti-US flavor and passive Russia support.

Chinese FM Wang Yi and Chinese UN Ambassador Zhang Jun repeatedly stated that the 'sovereignty and territorial integrity of all nations should be respected. '
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Yet, US expecting China to berate Russia publicly and do it's dirty bidding in order to diplomatically isolate Russia, while same time US declaring China as a primary enemy. That is true insulting to Chinese intelligence. Gotta slap these US imperialists so they know their place.
China owe Russia a debt of gratitude for helping her during the WWII when everybody else abandoned her. So it is immoral and unprincipled to discard Russia in time of need.
Who is saying to discard Russia? China can privately support Russia economically, privately acknowledge Russian actions as imperialistic, and publically stay neutral. China definitely should openly accuse US of imperialism too. These are not mutually exclusive, but some hardcore Russian apologist interpret any private acknowledgment of Russian actions as imperialistic as "pro-US, anti-Russia" propaganda and start calling people as shills.
but I say there is simply no need to criticize Russia at all.
Nobody says China should openly criticize Russia on the world stage. I'm saying China should be publicly be politically neutral at UNSC while covertly economically supporting Russia, while privately acknowledging that it's actions are imperialistic. Problem?

What I am saying is, some hardcore Russian apologists on this forum consider merely privately 'acknowledging' Russian actions as imperialism as 'criticism of Russia' and 'pro-US shill', whereas that is more reflections of their insecurities and oversensitive to reality of Russia' brazen actions. Their insecurities lead them to call others "pro-US shills" for merely privately acknowledging reality, which is dangerous.

I'm more fighting against the hardcore Russian apologists who say Russia can do no evil, it's purely 100% defensive, and any private acknowledge of Russian actions as imperialism is "pro-US narrative". If you can't privately acknowledge reality, you have no basis of forming good decision-making.
 
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Suetham

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you do know what total war mean right? for them its winning or death. imagine your country getting invaded and they invader want to actively take down a government that was democratically elected. if you are in that position it doesn't matter if u support the president or not. part of your freedom is being taken away. if u understand this then all this make sense
For them who? The government or the population?

In some places, Russians are being welcomed. In others, no. I've watched videos that civilians themselves captured Russian soldiers. Asking the population to manufacture Molotovs and attack Russian troops is reckless, many civilians will die.

I don't make value judgments, I'm just saying what will actually happen. What's more, if you really believe that, do you really think it's prudent for the Taiwanese government to do the same with the people who live there when China starts the operation? If you really stand for this, you are being totally reckless about the lives of civilians, as well as the lives of Chinese soldiers. It would be carnage.
 

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What I am saying is, some hardcore Russian apologists on this forum consider merely privately 'acknowledging' Russian actions as imperialism as 'criticism of Russia' and 'pro-Western narrative', whereas that is more reflections of their insecurities and oversensitive to reality of Russia' brazen actions. Their insecurities lead them to call others "pro-US shills" for merely privately acknowledging reality, which is dangerous.

I'm more fighting against the hardcore Russian apologists who say Russia can do no evil, it's purely 100% defensive, and any private acknowledge of Russian actions as imperialism is "pro-US narrative". If you can't privately acknowledge reality, you have no basis of forming good decision-making.
I think this is the best idea really. Maybe China can call for negotiations and peace, provide aid to Ukrainian refugees (you know, experts and engineers) and only really complain about Russian acts in private.
 

noone536

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For them who? The government or the population?

In some places, Russians are being welcomed. In others, no. I've watched videos that civilians themselves captured Russian soldiers. Asking the population to manufacture Molotovs and attack Russian troops is reckless, many civilians will die.

I don't make value judgments, I'm just saying what will actually happen. What's more, if you really believe that, do you really think it's prudent for the Taiwanese government to do the same with the people who live there when China starts the operation? If you really stand for this, you are being totally reckless about the lives of civilians, as well as the lives of Chinese soldiers. It would be carnage.
ehh for one thing don't know how this conversation turn to china and Taiwan cause it would never be in this situation. and yes if my country is being attack then anything goes. i go all Israel against arab nation on their asses. i am not going to live in a country where i have absolute no power and voice. yes i know western country are not prefect but i can say fuck everyone without being arrested. and yes i know western country does a lot of shit and i don't excuse that. so the real question would be would u want to die on your feet or live on your knee.
 
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