Ukrainian War Developments

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Overbom said:
It seems that the Crimean Front is doing great
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Suppose we take this map as accurate, are the south and north pincers advancing fast enough to close the pocket along the Dnieper?
I always thought the most likely plan was for the forces in the east, in conjection with allied forces from the two republics to first launch an faint attack to keep the Ukranian forces attention fixed to the east, then have the south flank from Crimea and north flank from Belarus dive towards the interior and form a big pocket behind the forces to the east for encirclement. Compared to such manoeuvres from WW2 are the Russians moving quick enough this time to close the pocket in time?
 
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Temstar said:
Suppose we take this map as accurate, are the south and north pincers advancing fast enough to close the pocket along the Dnieper?
I always thought the most likely plan was for the forces in the east, in conjection with allied forces from the two republics to first launch an faint attack to keep the Ukranian forces attention fixed to the east, then have the south flank from Crimea and north flank from Belarus dive towards the interior and form a big pocket behind the forces to the east for encirclement. Compared to such manoeuvres from WW2 are the Russians moving quick enough this time to close the pocket in time?
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Apparently the forces in the south are not very strong, perhaps they will secure the coast only. They are nearly halfway to Moldova already.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
What happened to the stupendous training from the vaunted British Military?
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You can bring a horse to water...

More seriously, the Ukrainians seem to be fairing far, far better than in 2014, tbh.

There are reports there was another air assault at Hostomel, another air strip outside of Kiev and it was already defeated. Accuracy? IDK.

Reports are the Ukrainians retook the Kahovska hydro electric dam.

The mayor of Genichesk has reportedly confirmed Russian troops in the town.
 
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LesAdieux said:
the western Ukrainians, such as the Lviv Ukrainians, are rabidly anti Russia, and they are tough fighters. they won't give up. expect hard battles ahead
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There is also the matter that Russia committed little ground forces. 150-200k troops to invade Ukraine is not a lot

Pump it by 100k extra troops and then we talk
 
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the western Ukrainians, such as the Lviv Ukrainians, are rabidly anti Russia, and they are tough fighters. they won't give up. expect hard battles ahead.

the strategy for the West is simple: turn Ukraine into a quagmire for Russia, they did it once in Afghanistan.
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And exactly why it is good for the Ukrainans ?

And generally, the west ukrainans are not foreign mercanaries or from other part of country , like in Syria or Afganistan, but local residents.
 
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I think Russia to recognize Donbas like the way Russia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The bigger territorial dispute as a result will prevent Ukraine from joining NATO.
 
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LesAdieux said:
the strategy for the West is simple: turn Ukraine into a quagmire for Russia, they did it once in Afghanistan.
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I think we can expect soon enough a Lend-Lease program from US/NATO to Ukraine. I wouldn't be surprised if they send in long range SAMs like Patriot together with civilian contractors to operate them.
 
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Anlsvrthng said:
And exactly why it is good for the Ukrainans ?

And generally, the west ukrainans are not foreign mercanaries or from other part of country , like in Syria or Afganistan, but local residents.
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The last thing Ukraine need is a dragging conflict. Letting them go in without resistance for attacking them inside the country will just bring more mess for the civilians and infrastructures. A good head on clash or just throwing the towel would have been better.
 
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