Ukrainian War Developments

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reservior dogs

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Ukraine has nothing worth invading for only reason they are upset is that Nordstream 2 will cost them billions of dollars since of course they have quite a bad economy as it is. Was going to go crack an elbow bump joke with Deino saying how are the gas prices in Germany? (where i have a shit-eating grin will he gives me a disappointed look) There is also the Power of Siberia 2 where they will run to China and Mongolia. Thanks to Israels enviromentalists
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by blocking UAE's oil shipments to Europe Israel unknowingly is probably going to help the Russians sell their Arctic oil to Europe. The enviromentalist excuse we all know is BS because Israel has quite the paranoia of its surrounding neighbors for good reasons. They have more gas line projects heading to middle east next.
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They also successfully thwarted the oil pipeline to Europe through Syria and thwarted Venezuela from being taken over by the west.

They are also the ringleaders of starting BRICs to replace SWIFT along with wanting quantum communication channels with those countries discussing trade deals.
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Everything seems to be going according to their plan to the point I ask what is valauble invading Ukraine for? Ukraine is going to be more of a leech to the west despite getting some additional military bases that have to be financially supported. The Ukraine warmongering is mostly pushed by the west while from their side they do not even give a shit about Ukraine. As stated here they have more to gain not invading Ukraine than they do starting an invasion.
There are two conditions in which Russia will invade. The first is if NATO decides to station troops in Ukraine, the second is if Ukraine starts a military offensive against the Russian enclaves (not the small skirmishes that happens from time to time). Both of these scenarios are highly unlikely to happen. Russia is trying to get a promise from the West never to station troops in Ukraine. This is very unlikely to come to fruition. The future of Ukraine will be a continuation of the past, war torn, broken. They don't have wise leadership and the leaders at the top don't care that much about their own people. This was the way Ukraine ran even during the days when they were close to Russia.
 

Anlsvrthng

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There are two conditions in which Russia will invade. The first is if NATO decides to station troops in Ukraine, the second is if Ukraine starts a military offensive against the Russian enclaves (not the small skirmishes that happens from time to time). Both of these scenarios are highly unlikely to happen. Russia is trying to get a promise from the West never to station troops in Ukraine. This is very unlikely to come to fruition. The future of Ukraine will be a continuation of the past, war torn, broken. They don't have wise leadership and the leaders at the top don't care that much about their own people. This was the way Ukraine ran even during the days when they were close to Russia.
We passed the liner events point, now we are in a chaotic atractor.

It is now not like " we send X amount of stuff, and will receive Y=0.9*X amount of answer".

The feedback loop between USA actions and resulting answers will be bigger and bigger.

Check the Iran-USA relationship, as an answer for the murdering of an Iranian representative / diplomat of state they conducted a full scale missile attack against an USA miltary base.

Now, supply for Ukraine could result in say nuclear weapon share with Venezuela. Or with Iran. Or who know.
 

yungho

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As I started to think I getting the feeling the whole "crisis" carefully planned by the Russians, and they are the ones whom playing up the USA against they interest.

1. Gazprom ceased to sell gas on spot market in summer
2. NSA getting information about Russian invasion , sharing it with Europeans
3. Russia moving military units to the border
4. ultimatum from Russia to the USA about the NATO expansion / miltiary units.


Russia managed to move/organise military units in / around Crimea without any hint to the USA, so they should repeat the trick this time as well if they wish. So most likelly they purposfully made a leak to the USA about an "imminent invasion", and the " Czar Putin" obsession of the USA playing for they hand.

At the same time the lack of gas on spot market crating an economical crisis and potentially power and heat distruptions in Europe.

The timing of the treatry request happened in the middle of December, so EU will be forced to make a decision in January/ February, when they could face power outages.


And the basic question will be simple one : they want normal relationship with Russia, or want to live without the Russian energy export.

In this enviroment it is very hard to push for long term energy contract with Russia ,means to stabilise the energy situation the EU must to reach compromise.
I disagree. It feels like this whole story is coming from the Americans. It was Blinken who signaled Russian military build up first. Then news outlets picked up on it. Then the Ukrainian president wrote a piece on one of those American geopolitical sites. Then Russians began giving their reasoning and demands. The entirety of this 'crisis' and discussion started from the American media.


Russia did increase build-up, but the narrative of a possible invasion came from the Americans.
 

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We passed the liner events point, now we are in a chaotic atractor.

It is now not like " we send X amount of stuff, and will receive Y=0.9*X amount of answer".

The feedback loop between USA actions and resulting answers will be bigger and bigger.

Check the Iran-USA relationship, as an answer for the murdering of an Iranian representative / diplomat of state they conducted a full scale missile attack against an USA miltary base.

Now, supply for Ukraine could result in say nuclear weapon share with Venezuela. Or with Iran. Or who know.
Off topic, this will be my only comment on this matter.

General Qasem Soleimani was at the time of his murder the numero uno military man, literally the commander-in-chief got Iran’s armed forces. He was lured to a meeting in Iraq and his entourage was blasted into smithereens enroute from the airport to the meeting. The Americans didn’t even bother to deny that they planned the ops to execute him, if you remember, Trump answered on Twitter with an American flag when asked if it was a CIA operation.

It was definitely outside all boundaries of decency and an act of war but the Iranians were careful in their reprisal missile attack in the sense that they deliberately avoided areas with American troops. Why? Probably because the Iranians know that a much more powerful bully was egging them for a fight and had they directed their rockets on American barracks, the only beneficiary would be Israel.
 

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Off topic, this will be my only comment on this matter.

General Qasem Soleimani was at the time of his murder the numero uno military man, literally the commander-in-chief got Iran’s armed forces. He was lured to a meeting in Iraq and his entourage was blasted into smithereens enroute from the airport to the meeting. The Americans didn’t even bother to deny that they planned the ops to execute him, if you remember, Trump answered on Twitter with an American flag when asked if it was a CIA operation.

It was definitely outside all boundaries of decency and an act of war but the Iranians were careful in their reprisal missile attack in the sense that they deliberately avoided areas with American troops. Why? Probably because the Iranians know that a much more powerful bully was egging them for a fight and had they directed their rockets on American barracks, the only beneficiary would be Israel.
This action is going to have grave consequences in the future though. It may not be apparent now but really, if the USA does going into a societal, economic and natural disaster crisis all at the same time and yet has to endure a civil war, odds will be good that Iran may stand to be able to avenge the death of Solemanis death many times over given that well, the number of Allie’s that actually matter for the USA is decreasing over time and really, picking a fight with Russia and China and even Iran at the same time is almost beyond stupid for words
It is a slow moving train wreck and it is one that if the USA crashes, no one, not even themselves will ever put things back together again. I don’t think America realizes the implications of what happens if they are no longer number one in the world, especially in a world where they are many enemies that have scores to settle
 

Anlsvrthng

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I disagree. It feels like this whole story is coming from the Americans. It was Blinken who signaled Russian military build up first. Then news outlets picked up on it. Then the Ukrainian president wrote a piece on one of those American geopolitical sites. Then Russians began giving their reasoning and demands. The entirety of this 'crisis' and discussion started from the American media.


Russia did increase build-up, but the narrative of a possible invasion came from the Americans.
They had captured Russian inteligence, and the sat pictures. And they eat all quickly.

All that events hapened at the same time with the natural gas crisis and the demands.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Off topic, this will be my only comment on this matter.

General Qasem Soleimani was at the time of his murder the numero uno military man, literally the commander-in-chief got Iran’s armed forces. He was lured to a meeting in Iraq and his entourage was blasted into smithereens enroute from the airport to the meeting. The Americans didn’t even bother to deny that they planned the ops to execute him, if you remember, Trump answered on Twitter with an American flag when asked if it was a CIA operation.

It was definitely outside all boundaries of decency and an act of war but the Iranians were careful in their reprisal missile attack in the sense that they deliberately avoided areas with American troops. Why? Probably because the Iranians know that a much more powerful bully was egging them for a fight and had they directed their rockets on American barracks, the only beneficiary would be Israel.
Check the pictures of the aftermath.
The Iranians targeted the barracks / installations.
The USA used the old, poor man air defence, disperse and duck.


Even with that lot of service member suffered injury.
 
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