Ukrainian War Developments

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pmc

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Well, I know you don't agree with me on this. Most of my Russian friends (except for the ultra liberal ones, who will believe the Slavic-version of the "one world, one planet" anyways, so not much point convincing them), do not believe in "Europe hysteria" (this name is self-explanatory).

But reality is some thing else. EU is Russia's largest trading partner, accounting for nearly 40% of Russia import and export. In fact you could say that Russia's current economic structure is shaped by the EU, through years of being Russia's largest trading partner.

listing Samsung out is a bad anecdotal example. South Korea the entire country, account for only some 4% of all Russian exports and less than 4% of all Russian imports.
i mean South Korea trust Russia infrastructure (No one stealing them) and financial system to store products this in addition to R&D.
prices are not much different than international level.
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It is non-sense that current Economic structure is shaped by EU. In just one Month Turkey is practically largest trading partner of Russia in that part of world.
Like I said. You need to look at numbers and data, in a wholistic view.


I was talking about infrastructure investments and buildup.


That's nothing to boast about. This is because Russia pretty much inherited Soviet aviation industry. And the Soviet Aviation industry was one of the largest and most advanced in the world, AND was entirely domestic. Russia should have at least been able to keep domestic independence, out of all things.
operating 72 cargo flights related to S-400 delivery shows that they have surplus cargo capacity and willing to use it. Syria alone is 1000X of it every year. than add whole Africa. you are underestimating the amount of high quality manpower required to keep aviation products at high tempo operation. reliability and supply chain to make product that is remotely usable in 21st century need huge experience and time. 16 ton engine become 20 ton to make sure plane can keep flying on one engine.
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However, if you look at the market share of Russian aviation industry products in the whole world as well as Russia's domestic market, you will see how much has the Russians dwindled and declined.
do you count every part and design that Russia supplied to Boeing , Airbus and various engine manufacturers.
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No doubt Russian inherited an ocean of USSR know-hows, industrial capacity and talents, so Russian aviation industry is supposed to be good. But they are no where near as good as they should have been.
they are gong to increase production capacity certainly not for global export level but end product is very competitive. there is no competitive analysis done in de-globalization era for aviation products.
In fact, if Russian aviation industry is able to expand (as a result of huge boost in demand and/or market share) into other countries, which results in other countries providing Russian patented components to Russia, that would be somewhat a success. We are not seeing that. What's worse is that, we are seeing examples of Russian's foreign supply chain compromised and having to contract inward to domestic supply chains, in the case of Ukraine.
Ukraine was primarily in helicopter and marine engines. so that took a decade or two to replace them. As mentioned Russia industrial policy is for different world than the world we have lived until now.
Russian monotowns (monogorod, моногород) was the example of what I was talking about in my last reply, concerning the Soviet model/landscape of their unique planned economy. This model attracts suits them pretty well. And if Russia could step up their build up of the underlining infrastructure of connectivity (5G), than Russia would be in a very good place in this upcoming trend of de-globalization, decentralization of our megastructure of civilization. However, like I said, they need a lot of investments. If Russians did not need to start this war, they could leverage European money to do these infrastructure building, which is why I said previously that if I were in Ukraine's shoes, I would certainly choose to side with Russia (once Ukraine consolidated their strategic alliance with Russia, they can safely play the middleman to further strengthen EU--Russo-block relations). In this case, this Russo-block would have all the advantages, which will be recognized by EU, China and rest of the world as having a huge investment potential. Of course, this will be to the horror of the Anglo-American Maritime Empire.
this company is from small town by global standards. so i am not sure why you think they are not investing to build products that take advantage of 5G connectivity.
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Russia does not need European money it has plenty of money of its own and from Middleast. what it need from Europe is the competent and skilled people that have left Russian world since 1917 to move back to take jobs and built products outside EU system.
they started working on it with money since 2007. this fundamental conflict between Germanic world and Russian world. the rest are just side actors.


As for investment into fundamental science, I will tell you that it's actually the opposite. fundamental science today is reliant more and more upon calculation power and experimental assets: both of which requires money.

USSR's biggest strength has always been painted by the West as their biggest weakness: the ability to plan economy and do deep level social-engineering. You should NOT look down upon the USSR. I dare to say that it was a pinnacle of human civilization. The West wishes in their wet dreams to be able to do things that the USSR has actually succeeded in doing very well. This is why they paint economic planning and social engineering as Taboo. (This is a laughably Nietzschean phenomenon: they lust after these so much that they made them taboos.)
USSR does not have strength when you look at quality of leadership they were producing and putting way more investments in Ukraine relative to other places. it is that unbalanced investment that more population of USSR end up near Ukraine rather than in Far East.
I don't mean to say battle proven in the physical sense, because that's already done decades ago. I am saying whether this is "future proof", in other words, whether this iteration is battle proven in the advanced information era of interconnectivity and AI.
so you think only fighters and drone that fly at medium altitude are future proof?. there is no gun/rocket/ATGM developed yet that can reliablity take mobile targets from such altitude especially in simultaneous multi-shot engagement. infact with introduction of hypersonic missiles with Mach 10+ speeds, high performance radars and radar satellites. there is less difference between hitting bases far away from battlefield than near to battlefield. cheap widely disperse airbases with high tempo rate much effective than stealth fighters parked thousands kms away that need much more support infrastructure.
 

Richard Santos

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If I were Putin, I give Argentina whatever Britain gives Ukraine. Argentina is a big threat to Falklands. If Ukraine gets anti ship missiles from Britain then Argentina gets anti ship missiles from Russia. That will scare Britain into not giving any arm to Ukraine.

Of course, because my name is Jeremy Yongpeng Sun-Tasfaufen (given name is formerly Yongpeng and Tastaufen I came up with myself) and Sun is a former noble family, I am naturally more intelligent than most people. I myself am an inventor.


Naturally. only your kind of exceptional intelligence can divine the great merits of giving argentinians land weapons suitable for fighting the Russians on land, and antiship missiles with a range of 75 nms, ito threaten a British held island 300 nms out to sea.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Mariupol is turning out to be an anti-climax. No last stand, the Ukrainians are just mass surrendering in their hundreds. I thought Ukrainians were brave warriors who would rather die than live under Russian rule. Apparently the Nazis aren't surrendering, but I don't know whether to trust the Russians on that. I think they just want to gas or drown them all alive.

So recap, the Ukrainians forced as many civilians as they could to remain in the city, then when the Russians blockaded it most of them retreated to the bunkers of Azovstal. Instead of fighting, they spent most of the time trying to escape the blockage disguised as civilians or aid workers. They also were torturing civilians and begging other countries to save them.

If that's Ukrainian military strategy going forward they don't deserve to exist as a country. These POWs shouldn't be freed either once the war is over. They should be forced to rebuild the city they helped destroy.
Uniformed Ukrainian soldiers will likely be treated with dignity per Geneva Convention, if for nothing else, then for pragmatic reasons.

Russia can't wash it's hands of the aftermath of Ukraine. It has to somehow deal with Ukrainians and the easiest and most moral way is to keep it as clean as possible.
 

2handedswordsman

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USSR does not have strength when you look at quality of leadership they were producing and putting way more investments in Ukraine relative to other places. it is that unbalanced investment that more population of USSR end up near Ukraine rather than in Far East.
Ukraine and Belarus got these advantages because they suffered the most during WWII. Plans for Belarus Traktors plants were set before Belarus liberated of Nazis. Belarus is the little gem of Soviet social engineering, a 9 million country that produces almost everything and has a very good level of living comforts despite being sanctioned hard for years
 
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