Ukrainian War Developments

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Soon it may be time to write a novel (set in Ukraine 2022) that's like a revision of _Four Feathers_.

Speaking of Ukrainian novels, John Dolan of Radio War Nerd has recommended Bulgakov's 'The White Guard' for its insights relevant to the current conflict in Ukraine. In a subscriber newsletter, he goes into the contemporary politics of Ukrainian writers. Here are some excerpts from the newsletter:

A century ago, a 17-year old named Nikolka Turbin wrote on the tiles of a stove in Kiev, “If people tell you the Allies are coming to help us out of this mess, don’t believe them. The allies are swine.”

His sister Elena seconds the emotion: “And where are our gallant Allies all this time? Ugh, the swine. Promises, promises…”

Nikolka and Elena are characters in Mikhail Bulgakov’s 'The White Guard' (Belaya Gvardiya) which we’ve talked about several times on RWN. The novel describes the Turbins’ doomed struggle to survive in Kiev in 1918-19, when the city changed hands again and again.

If there’s a lesson from The White Guard that fits today, it’s what Nikolka wrote on the stove: Don’t trust “the Allies,” whatever they call themselves. Ukraine will be left on its own — with their sympathy but not much else.

If there’s another lesson in the novel, it’s Bulgakov’s feel for divided loyalties, of people pulled apart by conflicting identities

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The White Guard begins, “Great and terrible was the year of Our Lord 1918, hardly the second since the Revolution.” And its final chapter begins, “Great was the year and terrible, the year of Our Lord 1918, but the year 1919 was even more terrible.”
In other words, it goes from bad to worse. You can see why “Russian novel,” for Anglo novelists like Wodehouse, came to mean “incredibly depressing stuff.” Bulgakov warns you there won’t be any happy ending early on:

“Their life had been darkened at its very dawning. Cold winds had been blowing without cease from the north [i.e. Moscow]…and their lot would be to suffer and die.”

The novel describes the descent, from bad to even worse, experienced by the Turbins. The older brother Alexei has come home from the Tsar’s defeated army; his sister Elena is waiting for her husband, Sergei Talberg, who’s serving with the Hetman’s Ukrainian forces; Nikolka, the youngest, is trying to figure out his place in the fast-dissolving world of Kiev 1918.
It wasn’t an easy task, figuring out what was going to happen next in Kiev. It never has been, go back as far as you want in history. The city sits in the middle of a very fertile flat plain which made for good grazing every time mounted invaders felt like looking for greener pastures. Mountains could stop or delay those steppe riders, but Ukraine has none. The sea could stop them, as Japan and Java discovered, but Ukraine has only rivers, and steppe cavalry loved rivers.

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Ukrainian nationalists don’t usually like The White Guard, or any of Bulgakov’s work. Bulgakov is usually classified as a Russian rather than Ukrainian writer, and doesn’t make the current politicized lists of Ukrainian authors.

This raises the question of what a Ukrainian writer is. If it’s someone who wrote in Ukrainian rather than Russian (or German or Yiddish), then Bulgakov is definitely Russian, not Ukrainian. And in the current rhetorical climate, Russian is not just a different category from Ukrainian but its antithesis. Just today a Ukrainian government organization tweeted a statement that while Ukrainians are Slavs, pure and simple, Russians are ethnically impure, a mix of Slavic and Asiatic “Ugro-Finnish tribes.”

The problem with defining writers by their chosen language is that you always end up disqualifying somebody you want in your national pantheon. In Ukraine’s case, the name that comes to mind is N. V. Gogol’, one of the funniest writers who ever lived. Unlike Bulgakov, Gogol’ is included on most lists of Ukrainian writers. But Gogol’ not only wrote in Russian, he waxed rhapsodic about the sacred Russian nation at the end of Dead Souls:

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You will never find Bulgakov waxing rhapsodic like that about the Russians. As a man unfortunate enough to grow up in interesting times, he has nothing but loathing for mystical nationalism.

He expresses this in The White Guard when Myshlaevsky, asked who fought his men on the outskirts of Kiev, says “God knows...I think they were some local peasants — Dostoevsky’s ‘Holy Russia’ in revolt. Ugh — motherfuckers!”

Alexei Turbin seconds the motion, muttering to himself, “Holy Russia is a wooden country, poor and...dangerous, and to a Russian, honor is nothing but a useless burden.”

Gogol’, for all his alleged Ukrainian-ness, has no such doubts about the holiness of the Russian people, and simply subsumes the Ukrainians into them by using, rather than “Russia,” the more vague term “Rus,” a poetic and inclusive noun that can include “all the Russias,” meaning something like “all the Slavic peoples governed by the Russian Empire.” Kiev is not just part of “Rus,” it’s Rus’s very birthplace. This, of course, can get tricky too; Kosovo is Serbia’s semi-official birthplace, so is Kosovo Serbian?

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Bulgakov didn’t see a contradiction between being Russian and Kievan, but he did see and write in detail about the brutal divide between his Kiev — Russian-speaking, ethnically mixed, with large Polish and Jewish populations — and the uniformly Ukrainian-speaking countryside beyond the city. That particular antithesis, Kiev vs The Countryside, doesn’t seem to be very important now. Bulgakov’s City has joined the Countryside it once loathed against the Moskali, the now-hated Muscovites ("Moskal" is the Ukrainian nationalists' favored ethnic slur against ethnic Russians).

These ethnic divides are relatively ephemeral. You can see that easily enough when you stand back a ways. But not everybody gets that luxury. People live short lives, in which those phenomena seem pretty durn real.

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FADH1791

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American influence has declined substantially in the last decade. Even many Western Europeans don't see America as something to emulate or admire anymore. After 40 years of neoliberalism and corrupt leaders, even most regular Americans no longer believe in their system. And it's easy to see how the American imperium will eventually terminate: through internal divisions. No foreign conquest necessary.
Pretty much. Just like every empire in the past our military looks dominant but at home we have major problems. The gap between the rich and poor is even bigger than it was during the Gilded age. Millennials and GenZ are going to be the first generations that will economically worse off than their parents. You see the sign of an America doing well was when the children become wealthier and better off than their parents. That’s changing. Because they are saddled with student loan debt they are economically worse off than their parents. Income inequality leads to massive internal problems especially in a society that’s very fractured. Our politics has become very toxic. Even in the divisive 1960s most Americans trusted their government. Nowadays that’s not the case. Our politics has gotten worse and worse and more corrupt. Extreamist voices-and thought is becoming more mainstream in the left and right. In America we have this gap between the cities and rural areas. Both sides hate the other. The rural areas think the cities want to take their guns. The cities see the rural areas as a backward racist anti science threat trying to implement an American version of ISIS.

People have to realize that Jan 6 almost could have led to a civil war. If those people simply refused to leave or where armed it would have gotten worse. If Trump was a competent leader his coup attempt would have happened. Which means next time a competent leader will succeed in that. That’s how close it came for things to fall apart. We are so divided as a nation that we are one contested election and constitutional crisis away to total chaos. And there has been many American journalist and historians who warn we are sleep walking into civil war. 10 years ago that would be insane and crazy to say a second American civil war is close. Nowadays it’s not that crazy. It’s basically almost mainstream. We are getting real close to an election crisis which could lead to a constitutional crisis which could lead to civil unrest. We have the most guns, we have militias that are filled with ex military and current military veterans. The tension is only going to get worse as the economy and people’s standard of living gets worse
 

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Poof, there goes Slovakia's S-300 that was given to Ukraine.
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The Russian army destroys a valuable "US gift" to Ukraine that arrived from Europe

The Russian Defense announced that "Kaliber" missiles launched by the Russian army destroyed the equipment of the "S-300" anti-aircraft system that was delivered to Kiev from Europe and was hidden in a hangar on the outskirts of the city of Dnipropetrovsk.


Russian Defense Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a daily press briefing that the Russian missile strike, which was carried out from the sea on Sunday, destroyed 4 launchers of the "S-300" system, killing up to 25 members of the Ukrainian forces.

It should be noted that Slovakia confirmed last Friday that it had transferred the "S-300" air defense system to Ukraine, and said that the missile system was already there and that it had been transferred in complete secrecy during the previous two days.

Slovak Defense Minister Jaroslav Nagy announced that his country will receive 4 Patriot batteries from NATO, to replace the S-300 battery that Bratislava sent to Ukraine.

No confirmation from the Russian side, and no videos or images yet from the Ukrainian side either. Its pretty strange, if the Ukrainian side did destroyed a 13km long convoy, wouldn't they be excited to attach the announcement with a video like they always do? Maybe they destroyed like a few of the vehicles, and got the entire convoy completely disrupted.
Russia is not obliged to respond to every little fantasy (since there are too many of them) from the Ukrainian side about imaginary Ukrainian victories which are all aimed at fooling their own population into thinking that they have a chance against Russia.
While Ukraine is difinetly capable compared to some other third world militaries, but this is not a battle between two equal sides, this is a battle between a goldfish trapped in a bottle on one hand and an octopus trying to get that fish on the other hand.
 

FADH1791

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Ukraińcy znowu chcą rezać, jak w 1943 roku.
I don’t see how Russia will do denazification successfully. Unless they plan to move into Lviv and western Ukraine. Hatred for Russia was at an all time high after the Maidan protest, annexation of Crimea and the start of the Donbas wars. Now the hatred is hotter. This war is a only going to empower the ultranationalist neo nazis. Zelensky isn’t going to accept any peace talks because that’s means he will get killed. It will become a war of annihilation. And when Ukraine loses they will always be bitter and hate Russia which will be the fire to feed the neo nazi parties. Like I’ve always said nothing gives a fascist party life than returning veterans after losing a war.
 
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