Ukrainian War Developments

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Anlsvrthng

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Just curious about Russian threat to cut gas to unfriendly countries if they dont pay in rubles. There seems western media silence on this. Or maybe i missed the news. Is Germany and others paying in rubles now for Russian gas or nothing happens?

Ruble to USD already back to pre war level. So somebody must be buying those rubles.
Well, the EU hope that they can pay with EUR, and get gas for free, and don't want to consider seriously if Russia cut the gas delivery .


I am baffled by the level of incompetency on the EU side .
 

Anlsvrthng

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If Russia cease gas to Germany on Nordstream 1. It is at most $40b per year loss. As Germany will have to source LNG from other markets that will raise prices for every one else and some countries will switch to coal or furnace oil who cannot afford. Russia has wealthy friends they enjoy these windfalls. Net result won't be big impact. Turkey already replaced Germany as biggest export market in Europe
It is not that simple.


An LNG liquefaction plant on its own cost half as much as a similar energy capacity nuclear power plant, considering the ships, pipes, gasfield and so on the cost of it is close to the price of a nuclear power plant.

So, Europe could replace the Russian gas with LNG if :
1, making 30 years contracts with countries haveing lot of gas
2. paying and financing the LNG liquefaction plants and all related investements
3 wait 5-10 years to finish all project and receive the LNG


Good luck for that.
 

WickedhichofWest

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People act like Russia can infinitely sustain a war and that Russia has more resources to throw in Ukraine than the Western countries combined.

In any case, what do you expect when you have geniuses who were arguing that a long war was akshually totally planned by Putin...
What do we really have in Europe?
An ex colonial system of extraction of resources from around the world. Today that's more difficult as nations have woken up to that fact. Tech wise very few areas are really fully owned by Europe, most depend on USA tech. Even food production was outsource to cheaper imports, it would take some years to readjust.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Which would you rather be, short on money or short on gas?

Russia can borrow money and make ends meet, Europe has no way to replace gas.
Don't forget, the Russian goverment will receive the profit that previously went abroad, from the companies owned by the NATO.

Example the McDonalds profit won't cover the EU gas consumption any more with 0 % Russian taxation, covered by tricky booking, but will go into the Russian budget.
 

Coalescence

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Don't forget, the Russian goverment will receive the profit that previously went abroad, from the companies owned by the NATO.

Example the McDonalds profit won't cover the EU gas consumption any more with 0 % Russian taxation, covered by tricky booking, but will go into the Russian budget.
State-owned McDonald, or is it called ZcDonald now? :oops:
 

anzha

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I want to flag something in the tweet below. Not for what the tweet is actually about. That's a claim a Russian column was trying to ford a river and was caught with artillery. May be true? Column is certainly not going anywhere any time soon.

That's not what I want to flag, but rather, the truck we see at 3 seconds in.


It's white and clearly then not a standard military vehicle. We should keep an eye out for how common that is. The claim has been the nonmilitary vehicles shipped to Ukraine by Russia have been for distributing humanitarian aid. That does not appear to be the case here.

It would be a good measure of the Russian logistical attrition if we see more vehicles like this appear in military rather than relief convoys.
 

SimaQian

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Just curious about Russian threat to cut gas to unfriendly countries if they dont pay in rubles. There seems western media silence on this. Or maybe i missed the news. Is Germany and others paying in rubles now for Russian gas or nothing happens?

Ruble to USD already back to pre war level. So somebody must be buying those rubles.
Really 5 stages of grief.

1.) Denial
2.) Anger
3.) Bargaining
4.) Depression
5.) Paying in rubles

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Richard Santos

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Well, the EU hope that they can pay with EUR, and get gas for free, and don't want to consider seriously if Russia cut the gas delivery .


I am baffled by the level of incompetency on the EU side .
EU’s primary concern is not to be too badly sidelined in American eyes by a post-brexit britain as a key instrument for protecting the American hegemonic position in the economic, financial, and military alliance system in Eurasia.

Before Brexit the core EU, that is britain, france, germany, italy probably believed the EU could eventually rival and supplant the American system and become the hegemon over at least the western half of Euroasia and africa. After britain broke away from the EU and tied its future to being an American agent in world affairs, EU realized it didn’t have the strength to oppose the US with on agent in Europe, so it adopted a wait and see attitude but superficially changed tack to compete with Britain to act as US agent, at least as long as the US seems to have sharpened and maintained its focus on maintaining its hegemonic position in euroasia.
 
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