Ukrainian War Developments

Status
Not open for further replies.

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Well, as much as I like Serbia and the former Yugoslav as a country and culture, I am actually not a fan of many of these small countries. Maybe it's because I am a bit too sensitive and nationalistic as a Chinese. They could have been a lot more open to Chinese military equipment exports like some ME country and SEA country and most of all, Pakistan. Yet, at times, they would rather receive Russia's flashy junk Mig-29s than the latest J-10C.

Of course, I won't blame Serbia, because Russia at least donated some of the Mig29 to Serbia for free. But if Serbia really treat China as a great friend, they should retire (or donate) all their Mig-29's and Soko J-22's and ask China to give them a good deal for 24 J10CE. Or, they could keep their Migs, and opt for replacing their junky Soko J-22 for 12 to 24 JF17 Block 3. Both these options would take care of their defense requirement for sure.

This is a problem I see too often on this forum. People are way too quick here to put labels on other countries because of their geography and certain decisions that appear to be us friendly.

Every country that china can win over with investment, military hardware and high end technology is a good thing for China. Don't assume that you can't be friends with another nation thatay have made a decision that you don't like. As china becomes more advanced militarily and technologically, it will be able to offer other countries more to empower them to make independent decisions or side with china. Don't write anyone off because of certain decisions they made in the past. Times change and circumstances change.

Frankly, china may not even feel comfortable exporting j10c to an European country right now. But in the future, it will be able to help other countries develop their ai industry, their semiconductor industry and renewable industry and supply advanced military hardware that traditional western powers aren't willing to offer. Why would anyone on this forum oppose that?
 

BlackWindMnt

Captain
Registered Member
One would assume to operate a shore based Harpon system along with associated Radar might require more than leafing through the manual.
So do they come with instructors or is 100 hrs playing world of warships enough training?
One thing i do know for sure It will come with a bill that the remaining Ukrainians will probably have to work a century if not longer to pay off the west. It was only recently that i heard about western country paying off their ww2 debts.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Registered Member
Well, as much as I like Serbia and the former Yugoslav as a country and culture, I am actually not a fan of many of these small countries. Maybe it's because I am a bit too sensitive and nationalistic as a Chinese. They could have been a lot more open to Chinese military equipment exports like some ME country and SEA country and most of all, Pakistan. Yet, at times, they would rather receive Russia's flashy junk Mig-29s than the latest J-10C.

Of course, I won't blame Serbia, because Russia at least donated some of the Mig29 to Serbia for free. But if Serbia really treat China as a great friend, they should retire (or donate) all their Mig-29's and Soko J-22's and ask China to give them a good deal for 24 J10CE. Or, they could keep their Migs, and opt for replacing their junky Soko J-22 for 12 to 24 JF17 Block 3. Both these options would take care of their defense requirement for sure.

I think you're setting some strange standards if your like or dislike of nations is dependent on their willingness to buy Chinese military equipment.

Viewing it objectively, for many Eastern European nations, it is only until recently that Chinese military exports were of a sufficient quality to be seen as desirable alternatives to Russian equipment, and that region is indeed the Russian MIC's traditional stomping ground.
Whether they buy Chinese arms is also not simply a matter of need, but of money. If they lack the money for it, then they simply may not be able to afford certain weapon types and categories, if China will not provide attractive prices (versus what might be available for say, a closer ally like Pakistan).
Additionally, China's ability to effectively market key weapons systems in those markets, compared to competitors, is also a major factor. That is something China can only praise or blame itself for.

Expecting those nations to be as receptive to Chinese arms as a nation like Pakistan, ignores all of the geopolitical and materially qualitative and financial factors involved.

Heck, there may even be some weapons categories that China may not be willing to sell to some Eastern European nations.


So I definitely do not think this idea of "if XYZ nation is a good friend then they should buy weapons". That's just not how the international arms trade works, and it isn't even how the geopolitical factor of how international arms trade works.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Imagine if they manage to land a hit against a Russian ship

"NEW: confirming the UK is sending Harpoon anti-ship missiles to Ukraine. Huge move, can do serious damage to Russian warships."
Ukraine has their own Neptune anti-ship missile, so if they haven't been able to operate that, I doubt they would suddenly have the infrastructure to make good use of the Harpoons.
 

bajingan

Senior Member
Explain, please?

To me the war is very self defeating for the Russians. There was no way Ukraine was joining NATO. It probably will not now unless Ukraine goes on to have miracles of god for its campaigns and takes all of the Donbas and Crimea. Now, however, it seems semi likely Finland will and Sweden may join NATO. The sanctions by the west are not going to go away soon, even if the war ends. China is only willing to help as far as it help china, not out of the goodness of Xi's heart.
Just like another member mentioned a few pages back russian far east territories (siberia) perma-frost will melt in the near future due to global warming, unvealing a fertile land prime for agriculture and farming
Meanwhile in america climate change making farming more difficult
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
So yes in near term the sanctions is highly damaging for russia, for long term the world dependence on russian energy and grain exports will only grow
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Well, as much as I like Serbia and the former Yugoslav as a country and culture, I am actually not a fan of many of these small countries. Maybe it's because I am a bit too sensitive and nationalistic as a Chinese. They could have been a lot more open to Chinese military equipment exports like some ME country and SEA country and most of all, Pakistan. Yet, at times, they would rather receive Russia's flashy junk Mig-29s than the latest J-10C.

Of course, I won't blame Serbia, because Russia at least donated some of the Mig29 to Serbia for free. But if Serbia really treat China as a great friend, they should retire (or donate) all their Mig-29's and Soko J-22's and ask China to give them a good deal for 24 J10CE. Or, they could keep their Migs, and opt for replacing their junky Soko J-22 for 12 to 24 JF17 Block 3. Both these options would take care of their defense requirement for sure.
Serbia is friends first and foremost with Russia through ethnicity and ideology (Slavic, non-NATO). They abandoned their ideological ties with China when they allowed Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to collapse and landlocked themselves.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

Senior Member
Registered Member
"Within a month #Finland will apply for #NATO membership. The Finns have consulted and secured support from allies, assessed threats and made a plan."
Shieeet, I think maybe it's time to buy dollars, gold or sth else, even though złoty is weak. There's a possibility that Finland its going to be the first nuclear wasteland after ww2.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top