Ukrainian War Developments

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Abominable

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Wow! What a thread this has become! I expect in a month any hiatuses I take are going to be hilarious to return and read through the posts here. I have to say this thread has a wild tendency to degenerate into arguments over things having little to do with the Russo-Ukrainian War. I saw one warning. We should heed it. There might be one more after that, but we had a thread lock once, folks.

Some thoughts.

1. Kramatorsk's train station. I don't think the Russians did it. I don't think the Ukrainians did it. There is a 'third' party to this war, another set of combatants known to fsck up. Ones that known for shooting down 'cute birds' the last time fighting in the Donbas was really hot. Ones known to be given captured Ukrainian equipment. Ones noted for using the phrase 'for the children.' If you haven't guessed it, I'm disappointed. They are the LNR and DNR. It makes no sense for the Russians to hit the station intentionally. A false flag by the Ukrainians seems more likely to cost them support than gather it: the truth will out. The DNR+LNR use a lot of captured Ukrainian equipment and they are not as professional as the Russians and Ukrainians for their targeting. I don't think they intentionally targeted the train station. I can't imagine a handed over Tochka would be terribly accurate. However, LNR+DNR feet fit the slipper the best of the groups involved.
Interesting theory. My only questions are...have Russia or Donbass forces actually captured any Tochka-U launchers? No mention of any on Oryx. Would they be so close to the front line that they could be captured? Can the DNR/LNR actually operate them? My understanding is they aren't simple machines, you need to know what you are doing.
 

gelgoog

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Shrewd my foot. To get those Yuan the Europeans would have to increase exports to China. Good luck convincing them to do that.
They would still lose their main current advantage where they can buy actual resources from Russia with Euros they can just print out of thin air. They lost that privilege once they basically cut all relevant trade with Russia and essentially debased their currency with regards to transactions with Russia.

I am sure Russia would love to have more Yuan to buy actual products with, since Europe isn't presently selling them much they would want to buy with those Euros. Which is why the Russians are just dumping their Euros and converting them into Rubles. Let someone else use those Euros for something. The Euros the Russians get which aren't being used for what limited payments they still make in that currency are probably getting converted into other currencies as we speak.

Interesting theory. My only questions are...have Russia or Donbass forces actually captured any Tochka-U launchers? No mention of any on Oryx. Would they be so close to the front line that they could be captured? Can the DNR/LNR actually operate them? My understanding is they aren't simple machines, you need to know what you are doing.
No. It is not something you would have in the front line.
 
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EU now is just NATO’s ‘economic department’ – Russia

The European Union has devolved to the level of “NATO’s economic relations department,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova claimed on Saturday.


Following his visit to Ukraine, the EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, tweeted: “This war must be won on the battlefield.” The militant remarks coming from a diplomat prompted a reaction from Moscow.

“So much for ‘economic organization.’ This is no longer the European Union. It's just NATO's economic relations department,” Zakharova wrote.
 

allyerse

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Russian armor rolling towards the Izium sector. I've seen roughly a dozen videos like this one over the past week, showing Russian reinforcements massing for the renewed push in Eastern Ukraine. It's coming people. The Ukrainians are about to get hit by a storm of steel.

Hey there, do we have any info about the south (Donetsk)? Some people in media such as that former NATO head kept mentioning a pincer yet from these footages and rumors we mainly see things mustering around Izium (which of course for the layman, we obviously have no specific numbers) Additionally is there anything suggesting what Ukraine is doing in Donetsk also? I know that there are the major settlements Sloviansk, Kramatorsk, and Servodonetsk, did they end up reinforcing the cities themselves or is there something else going on? There is also the situation near Rubizhne where there is also a lot of fog...
 

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Shrewd my foot. To get those Yuan the Europeans would have to increase exports to China. Good luck convincing them to do that.
They would still lose their main current advantage where they can buy actual resources from Russia with Euros they can just print out of thin air. They lost that privilege once they basically cut all relevant trade with Russia and essentially debased their currency with regards to transactions with Russia.

I am sure Russia would love to have more Yuan to buy actual products with, since Europe isn't presently selling them much they would want to buy with those Euros. Which is why the Russians are just dumping their Euros and converting them into Rubles. Let someone else use those Euros for something. The Euros the Russians get which aren't being used for what limited payments they still make in that currency are probably getting converted into other currencies as we speak.


No. It is not something you would have in the front line.
This proposal is clueless.

1. Enhancing the international status of the Chinese currency will be a bigger negative in American eyes than Europeans busting a sanction against Russia.

2. for the Europeans to get their hands on large amounts of Chinese currency, the Chinese would have to be willing to take large amounts of euros or dollars in return. Given that the western world just executed a stunning demonstration of how worthless holdings in euros and dollar can become at on a word from the US, and the US sees china as her real opponent, I seriously doubt the Chinese are very much interested in buying much euros or dollars that they didn’t immediately need.
 
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FADH1791

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Russia should or must complete it's Military Operation before the 8th of May
Realistically that’s unlikely. Let’s say the Donbas offensive starts in two weeks after the mud season the battles are going to last a month in May maybe into June. Then there is an offensive into Nicolaev which won’t take too long. So maybe in July it’s take. Then there is the big cities of Dnirpo,Kharkiv and Odessa. Taking these cities one by one will last months. To take the city of Kharkiv they’ll need at LEAST 100k fighters. Plus it’ll take at least a month or more to retake the city. The assumption that the Ukrainian forces in the cities will surrender after they get smashed the Donbas is likely not to happen. There is Ukrainian neo nazis in the cities to prevent a total uprising of Russian speakers. In short the war will turn into a war of annihilation. So this war could last well into the fall or the end of the year. If the goal is Novorussiya it’s gonna take at least by October/November to be achieved realistically.
 

SanWenYu

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This proposal is clueless.

1. Enhancing the international status of the Chinese currency will be a bigger negative in American eyes than Europeans busting a sanction against Russia.

2. for the Europeans to get their hands on large amounts of Chinese currency, the Chinese would have to be willing to take large amounts of euros or dollars in return. Given that the western world just executed a stunning demonstration of how worthless holdings in euros and dollar can become at on a word from the US, and the US sees china as her real opponent, I seriously doubt the Chinese are very much interested in buying much euros or dollars that they didn’t immediately need.
Well, it can go the other way. How about China paying Europeans RMB for blueprints of EJ200 and EUVL, for example?
 
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