Ukrainian War Developments

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Overbom

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There are several reasons to feel anti-Russian at the moment.
It is normal for people to be anti-Russia when their country is invaded or are in imminent danger of being attacked by Russia

As China said, Europe should had built a comprehensive and inclusive security architecture and this war wouldn't have happened. Do you remember when Putin "jokingly" said about Russia joining NATO?..

Europe followed US orders, and this is the consequence
 

Lapin

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Nah, you really don't get anything.
And i am far too lazy to explain to someone who lives in a simple binary world.
Your sneering is noted. Are you one of the many writers here who apparently insist that either one must support
Russia's war on Ukraine or one must be supporting NATO and US imperialism everywhere in the world?
In reality, I support neither, though I expect some other writers here to keep putting words into my mouth.

Many, if not most, writers have shown that they greatly prefer their ideological fanaticism (which is overwhelmingly
pro-Russian or pro-Putin) or fierce tribal allegiances to accepting unwelcome facts on history, culture, or language.

Note that some writers here, who evidently speak neither any Russian nor Ukrainian, have ignorantly denied
that there's any difference between the Russian and Ukrainian languages.
Note also that some, if not many, writers here are arrogant enough to tell Ukrainians that they know much
more than Ukrainians do about how Ukrainians should feel about their history and national identity.

Even some Ukrainians who preferred to speak Russian at home are fighting against Putin's invasion.
Likewise, even the Finns who had fought for the Reds in Finland's civil war decided to fight under Mannerheim
(the White leader in the civil war) against a Soviet invasion in the Winter War. Hardly any Finn welcomed
being 'liberated' by Stalin.

Some writers here have condescendingly described Ukraine as Russia's 'younger brother' and urged Ukrainians
to follow or obey their supposed older sibling. Now that relationship's more like Ukraine being a younger sister
who has been raped by her older brother. (Some writers here apparently feel that she should 'relax and enjoy it'.)
Given the trauma of Ukraine's recent violation, I don't foresee how her relationship with Russia can be repaired,
at least not for a long time.

Many, perhaps most, writers here have been cheering on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, predicting (until recently)
an easy Russian victory, and urging Russia to use force even more ruthlessly against any Ukrainian resistance.
These writers have (predictably) adopted an extremely hypocritical 'double standard' toward alleged war crimes,
by instantly accepting Russian claims of Ukrainian war crimes and instantly rejecting Ukrainian claims of Russian
war crimes as just more Western propaganda. Their occasional token rhetoric of pretending to care about
Ukrainian civilians is far from convincing.

I shall not waste time attempting to make any 'moral appeals' to writers who apparently lack any moral
consciences and believe that 'might makes right' as long as their side apparently has the might.
Instead, I submit that any Chinese nationalists who profess to care about China's security above all are being
extremely foolish in tying China's security so inextricably to unconditional support for Russia's war on Ukraine.
(Being Chinese nationalists, they likely seem too arrogant to concede their errors or learn anything.)

First of all, China has national interests (which may change in time), not any permanent friends.
International relations should be based upon managing interests, not getting trapped in dysfunctional alliances.
China should not 'burn its bridges' to Ukraine, with which China has had a fairly good relationship in general.
China's security may depend upon having a stable government in Russia that's friendly or at least not antagonistic.
China's security does not depend upon supporting or financing Russian imperialism.
China's security does not depend upon Russia conquering or occupying anything in Ukraine.
No one in China will be any less secure if Russia does not control any part of Donbas.

Eventually, Putin will no longer be Russia's leader. Zelensky will no longer be Ukraine's leader.
China should begin preparing for a future where it can be well-respected by both Russia and Ukraine.

China's government is officially neutral (albeit with a pro-Russian tilt) on the war between Russia and Ukraine.
I note that many apparently Chinese writers here have been much more vociferous in expressing their apparent
unconditional support for a Russian conquest of Ukraine, which is far from being China's official position.

I would add that if people in Taiwan believe that China aims to treat them like Russia has treated Ukrainians
(with apparent loud Chinese nationalist approval here), they will resist even more China's bid for reunification.
Russia's war on Ukraine would be a terrible example for China to follow.
 

reservior dogs

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Nothing unites a people than facing a invasion but in the end it won’t matter for Ukraine. They are going to lose this war. Russia will take the east and southern regions and form Novorussiya which will be a pro Russian state for Russian speakers. This will strengthen Ukrainian nationalism. Likely radicalize the populace to ultranationalism. There will be anger and bitterness between the two nations. Likely a cold peace will come from this. So there will be constant clashes and tensions. Even after the country is divided the western part of Ukraine will be hyper nationalistic and maybe even elect a far right wing govt on the hopes to get their lost territory back. The group that is ripe to join fascism after losing a war is the soldiers that fought and lost. These veterans are bitter, angry they lost the war. They’ve seen their friends died and seen intense fighting. So they will join right wing groups who will likely blame the political elites for surrendering. I don’t see how Russia will do de-nazification in the west. The neo nazis are strong in the west. Taking out the east, defeating the military will leave a political opening for them to take power. It’s very likely this won’t be the last Russia-Ukrainian war.
First, it seem likely that the Russians will leave a big part of Ukraine as a stand alone country. Which part of Ukraine will be left is determined by how long the war drags on. The Russians post demands of de-militarization. The sooner the Ukrainians agree to that, the larger the final piece of land left to Ukraine. As they negotiate, the Russians will take their time taking out one city at a time, until all the major cities on the East like Kharkiv and Sumy as well as cities in the South like Odesa will fall into Russian hands. Demand will escalate to have these conquered cities be either independent or join Russia. The Russians have strong memories of Afghanistan and will work hard not to step into another quagmire like that again by conquering all of Ukraine.

No matter which part of Ukraine is left, it will likely not be a viable economic unit and will rely on the West if the West is willing, or be left to wither if the West is not. Most of the economically viable parts of Ukraine are located in the South and East, where also the most Russian speakers are.

Russia will want a mechanism to enforce the demilitarization. This may mean that they have the rights to send in troops if needed to take away any substantial fighting equipment even down to IFV.

Certainly there will be a lot of anger, but if Ukraine is stripped of these equipment, it will not pose a threat again to the territories taken by Russia.

It is possible that this romp Ukraine will take out its rage on the Russian speaking minorities inside its control, in which case an ethnic cleansing and repatriation of Russian speaker to the conquered regions may happen.

At the end of the war, the Russian security situation will have vastly improved compared to before the war.
 

meckhardt98

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Aaah...

You're American.
You still use antiquated temperature measurements.

This explains the anti-Russian tone of your posts.

Yes, because American obviously means I’m Anti-Russian.

Again people making assumptions based on no evidence when I have made statements that contradict that sentiment, why you are attempting to “discredit” me or insult me is beyond me and doesn’t contribute anything meaningful, instead of providing contradicting evidence or providing a reasonable reply you instead chose to look like a fool.
 

Anlsvrthng

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First, it seem likely that the Russians will leave a big part of Ukraine as a stand alone country.
And upporting armed resistance in the country for fun, just to bring same war to the NATO dorsteps.

And probably time to start same armed resistance in the Baltic countries as well, just for fun .


Armed resistance is fun for the persons living in the country.

So, why not do it in Germany example ?

Lot of Arabs there , I am sure lot of them happy to fight for money.
 
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