Ukrainian War Developments

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pmc

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effective air support is an integral part of a modern field army. an field army is not a really a modern field army without it. Also, assaulting a city and conducting street fighting is the last resort. Not doing it usually means the army has been more effective in achieving its goals, not it is less capable of achieving its goals.
so it is not army but air support as i said there is no comparable example of this kind of operation. so its moot point to do any comparison of invading hostile country this size.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I feel sad for Russia tbh. They could literally have a small but first rate military if they just gave up the pride and idiotic wet dream domestic development projects and imported from China, in exchange for resources. Even if they bought only like a few 052DL and like 1 055 they'd still have the best navy in Europe. And again, only purchasing a few J-20s would at least give their air force an actual stealth fighter to continue maintaining at least a minimum ability to compete with European ones. Instead of this sad situation where the only thing they can rely on for deterrence is tactical nukes. Instead they're like, no we're gonna make the Lider class even though we can only afford to buy like half a ship by the time r&d finishes in 2032 (optimistically), etc. etc. Sigh.
If I remember correctly, the 055, 52D and J-20 aren’t for sale, particularly the 055 and J-20. You might want to read the other threads buddy.
 

anzha

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Any prosecution of the Russian Federation will be done in absentia of an indicted Russians. The ICC should also investigate the Americans, but wait, the Americans already threatened the ICC not to do so..

I don't care who they are: Ukrainians, Russians, Americans, God's own angels. If they have committed war crimes, then should be held accountable and tried for war crimes.
 

Weaasel

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I feel sad for Russia tbh. They could literally have a small but first rate military if they just gave up the pride and idiotic wet dream domestic development projects and imported from China, in exchange for resources. Even if they bought only like a few 052DL and like 1 055 they'd still have the best navy in Europe. And again, only purchasing a few J-20s would at least give their air force an actual stealth fighter to continue maintaining at least a minimum ability to compete with European ones. Instead of this sad situation where the only thing they can rely on for deterrence is tactical nukes. Instead they're like, no we're gonna make the Lider class even though we can only afford to buy like half a ship by the time r&d finishes in 2032 (optimistically), etc. etc. Sigh.
Russia's failures in this campaign, which happened mostly in the Kiev Oblast, are not due to being poorly equipped, even though they could do with significant upgrading in many places. It has been due to the ridiculous belief that they could speed towards Kiev and make the regime capitulate merely by showing up there. With extreme irresponsibility that is mind boggling, they advanced rapidly in heavily forested terrain that has few major population centers and probably already had Ukrainian light infantry and armour awaiting in ambush for them for weeks, without probing, without frequently stopping to fan out infantry to check for ambushes, without adequate air cover, and also well ahead of their necessary supplies.

That was a recipe for heavy casualties once in turned out that the Ukrainians were lining the forests with infantry, light armour, and artillery ready to strike their unprotected vehicles, especially from the rear.
 

Richard Santos

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so it is not army but air support as i said there is no comparable example of this kind of operation. so its moot point to do any comparison of invading hostile country this size.
It is far more than lack of air support, The russian army is defective from top down. At the top level it is fundamentally badly organized to maximize its own fighting power, and despite that ir still not well equipped to meet the needs of the organization it actually has.

the battalion tactical group is too small to protect its own flank and rear while operating as a independent tactical unit. a BTG is effectively a reinforced company sized unit when operating more 10 miles from its depot and runs out is any offensive or even defensive capability more than 20-30 miles from supply depot. Communication abs collaboration protocol is either not in place or remains unimplemented to affect efficient collaboration between multiple BTGs. So right off the bat, if the US army were to conduct a similar effect to take seize Kyiv by a coup de main using similar size if overall force, it’s much larger brigade combat team can go much deeper and faster before its flanks becomes vulnerable. Going much faster abs deeper immediately means the enemy has less opportunity to organize any threat to its flank.

Russian army also does not preserve a sufficient corp of long serving NCOs who preserves the field craft and mundane skill of effective operation at the front line level. So squads and platoons at the front are not led by men with 8, 10, even 20 years of experience leading small units, but instead by newly minted lieutenants just graduated from military academies. In any western army, at least some of the frontline units would still be led by NCOs who had seen combat in the second iraq war, Almost all of them would have several years of experience from field maneuvers. In the russian army, a good deal of the front line units would be led by men barely out of school leading men at the end of their 1 year conscription period.

In the end, Russians can be tenacious and stoic fighting men. But one should never overemphasize that as a great comparative advantage because it is too easy to underestimate the latent stoicism and tenacities of fighting men in better organized armies that does not require sending men through the meat grinder to achieve its goals.
 
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