Or could be Azov troops committing crimes against Russian speakers. Would be consistent with them shooting Russian POWs and burning the swastika on victims.
Ukrainian War Developments
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Should be easy to tell if any manipulations of bodies were done pre or post mortem. Given the behaviour of Ukrainians towards their own citizens in this war (documented by themselves), I'd say it was more likely to be them.
These are the last two paragraphs of the article:
"I believe the Ukrainians are guilty and caused the suffering of everyone in our basement. They shot at civilians, killed people at night, and Russia saved us. If it was not for Russia, the Ukrainians would have come down and shot all of us.
When the DPR take Mariupol and rebuild everything, I will return home. It will be wonderful if I can return to the place where I was born."
Quite honestly, I am VERY SURPRISED that the Guardian, a British new organization for that matter, is actually reporting testimony that reflects negatively on the actions of Ukrainian forces.
Yes because the Ukrainians are definitely going to do that to a Ukrainian speaking oblast located less than 27km from Kiev on a scale not previously observed by Ukrainian forces let alone Azov forces which aren’t operating in the area.
I don’t know how you can look at objective evidence and still deny the notion of Russian war crimes despite the fact that this is an observable behavior seen in Chechnya and Georgia.
This isn’t denying the fact that some Ukrainian forces themselves have committed crimes themselves but to deny the fact that the Russians are even capable of committing war crimes is objectively wrong, even more so blaming it on the Ukrainians.
In the short run, say 10 years, EU would be maximally hostile to Russia anyway.
In the longer term, there are three EUs, 1. the old core of European common market in west and Central Europe, 2. former Warsaw Pact states of Eastern Europe where historical grievance against Russia is a currency of domestic political capital, such as Poland and Baltic states, 3. Former Warsaw Pact states envious of the authoritarian state Russia had built, such as Hungary.
In 1, real interest to maintain their influence in EU and in resisting US influence in Europe means they will not let their foreign policy be hijacked by some recent eastern European refugee immigrant. In 2 their policy would remain maximally hostile to Russia any way such that there would be no room for Ukrainians to add more to the hostility. In 3 recent they will start playing the ethnicity card against Ukrainian refugee immigrates long before these can have an domestic political Influence,
War Crimes are being committed by both sides. Those with sentiments in favour of Ukrainians and Russians respectively, might want to ignore, downplay, or deny that there are war crimes being committed by both sides or will say that one is commiting more war crimes than the other side. Anyway, during the last 8 years, war crimes have been committed plentifully in the Donbass Region.
American drones are practically useless then if they are too expensive the real military operation.probably as good or a bit better but with 10x more expensive
Alexander today said he heard that it was reportedly 4000 remaining in 3 pockets. He also says it can’t be confirmed but apparently they were given 24 hours to surrender and if not then the Chechens/Militia will be going “all in.”
Another rumor he said that can’t be confirmed and the numbers looked rather high was that on the Russian internet there is a rumor that Russia has amassed 250k for the battle of the Donbass.
I’m saying it COULD be, not saying it is. As you said both sides commit war crimes. But what you presented is circumstantial evidence not objective evidence. so don’t put words in my mouth, I never denied Russians are capable of committing these crimes, but it also COULD be the other way as well.
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