Ukrainian War Developments

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Fede_LV

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The interpretation of the "joint" declaration in some users is childish to say at least. More like a wishful thinking.

FROM MEDINSKY:

#Kievs proposals involve the proclamation of Ukraine as a permanently neutral state under international legal guarantees

"Ukraine's proposals on security guarantees DO NOT apply to the territory of Crimea and Donbass

Ukraine abandons the desire to return the #Crimea and #Donbass by military means


It means that the Russian activities in Crimea and Donbass will not be subject to the "international legal guarantees". Russia has full right to control and defend those regions.
 

Bill Blazo

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It's important to emphasize that a partial Russian pullback from the north does not mean the war is over. Precisely the opposite is the case. We're about to see a major conventional armed struggle on the eastern front a la World War II. What's happening now is the Russians have finally realized and admitted that their initial plans were just plain stupid. What this war needs is a massive push across a broad front with a huge army. The Russians are finally waking up to what needs to be done. The only thing that remains to be seen is how they execute from here on out. Here it's really hard to predict. Their offensive could still turn out to be a total disaster, or it could crush the Ukrainian army and win the war. We will know within a month.
 

Abominable

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China is interested in an intact Russia that is not at war in Ukraine.
Erm, no. Russia-west alliance would be bad for China, which is what this surrender treaty is.

Oh well, it'll just be another Anglo government we need to overthrow when the time comes.
 

Weaasel

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It's important to emphasize that a partial Russian pullback from the north does not mean the war is over. Precisely the opposite is the case. We're about to see a major conventional armed struggle on the eastern front a la World War II. What's happening now is the Russians have finally realized and admitted that their initial plans were just plain stupid. What this war needs is a massive push across a broad front with a huge army. The Russians are finally waking up to what needs to be done. The only thing that remains to be seen is how they execute from here on out. Here it's really hard to predict. Their offensive could still turn out to be a total disaster, or it could crush the Ukrainian army and win the war. We will know within a month.
The Russians are just withdrawing to more defensible positions that are closer to friendly territory in Belarus and Russia.
 

Strangelove

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It's President Elensky now....

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Kiev calls on world to ban ‘Z’​

Ukraine’s foreign minister says the letter symbolizes Russia’s military offensive
Kiev calls on world to ban ‘Z’

A column of Russian military equipment on the highway in the vicinity of Kherson. © Sputnik

Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmitry Kuleba has urged the global community to ban the Latin letter “Z” since, from Kiev’s point of view, it represents Russia’s military attack on the country.

“I call on all states to criminalize the use of the ‘Z’ symbol as a way to publicly support Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine,” Kuleba wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. He added that ‘Z’ means “Russian war crimes, bombed out cities, thousands of murdered Ukrainians” and said that “public support of this barbarism must be forbidden.”

Either the letter “Z” or the letter “V” are the two symbols depicted on all vehicles of the Russian army participating in the military operation in Ukraine. In Russia, both letters have become a widespread symbol to support the Kremlin’s military offensive against Kiev. The letters are commonly used on banners and car stickers.

There are many theories about the origins of the symbol. Some commenters have joked that “V” and “Z” represent the initials of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Others have speculated that the letters signify the attachment of a particular vehicle to Russia’s Western or Eastern military detachments.

Moscow’s Ministry of Defense gave its own explanation in an Instagram post in early March, however, hinting that “Z” stands for “victory” while “V” stands for “truth.”

Lithuanian deputies have also proposed criminalizing the letter “Z” along with the St. George ribbon, which is a Russian symbol to commemorate the Great Patriotic War. The legislators proposed equating both with the Nazi swastika and to punish the disposal of Russian symbols with a 500-euro fine.
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Meanwhile, according to the German newspaper Bild, the letter “Z” as a symbol of Russia’s military operation has already been banned in some regions of Germany, including Berlin, Bavaria, Lower Saxony, and North Rhine-Westphalia.

Moscow attacked Ukraine in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk ceasefire agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join NATO. Kiev says the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the Donbass by force.
 

enroger

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No mention of territorial concessions, or denazification or demilitarisation.

The problem is, Ukraine could turn around now and say, yep, you can keep what you've captured. Rearm (secretly if needed) and then fight another war in 10 years to take it back plus interest. They would have the full support of the Anglos.

Still a long way to go. But changing military plans because of peace talks is a bad idea.

Yeah, although I hate to say it, but it is too early for peace talk for Russia at least. They'd want to completely destroy Ukr groups in the east then negotiate from a position of strength, with demilitarization half done already.
 
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