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Abominable

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Interesting summary from southfront on the "first phase" of the operation.
It does seem like the Russian plan is to starve the Ukrainian army of supplies until they collapse rather than confronting them directly.

With reports of fuel shortages in Kiev now, my guess is it won't be long until the Ukrainian army start running out. If you've got no fuel, the war is over.
At the initiative of the Ukrainian leadership, the country has become a home to 6,595 foreign mercenaries and terrorists from 62 states. They are not subject to the rules of war and will be ruthlessly destroyed.

Today, the number of foreign mercenaries is declining. This was facilitated by high-precision strikes on their bases and training camps. On March 13, more than 200 militants were killed and more than 400 wounded in Starichi and at the Yavorovskii training ground alone.

Not a single foreign mercenary has arrived in Ukraine in the last seven days. Within a week, 285 fighters escaped into Poland, Hungary and Romania.
6,595 is a little higher than I thought but much lower than Ukrainian claims for foreign mercenaries. Most seem to be still in the country.

Also 9.000 foreign civilians have been evacuated to Russia from liberated territories so far. I wonder if any are Chinese, if so they should get consular access.
 

clockwork

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It does. People might not like it but it does; if Martin ever writes an ending it'll be the same as the one in the series. That ending was executed poorly but the idea is sound. ASOIF is tangentially about the political struggles of fantasy medieval statelets - it's principally about the endgame of a millennia-old struggle between two gods over which would enslave humanity. One of them won.
Isn't it more like 11-12 gods?
 

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Satellite imaging shows that the Alligator-Class landing ship in Berdyansk has sunk after a fire and subsequent explosion broke out onboard; cause of the fire and subsequent explosion was likely due to an attack by a Ukrainian drone.

According to a Russian source fifty service members perished in the attack.

The remaining two Ropucha-Class landing ships in Berdyansk have returned back to Sevastopol in Crimea.
That was a lame job from the Russian Navy... don't know the amount of stuff destroyed but the pile beside the ship on the dock look quite large. The shared video of the ship , disembarking slowly btr-80 with a crane on the dock in a warzone is nearly a Darwin award.
 

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If I was Ukrainian, I wouldn't be betting on such ambiguous statements.

Instead, I'd check whether Russia has softened its demands in the negotiations? Or has it started to pull back its forces? Are Russian BTGs even switching to a defensive posture?

Because if the answer to all the above is "no," then I'd be very suspicious. Even the WP article states that this could be a ruse for an operational pause for consolidation. The question is, can the Ukrainian Army actually capitalize on this pause and retake territory? Are they even capable of maneuvering?

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What did China know and when did China know it?
A popular Western belief is that China's almost as culpable as Russia in invading Ukraine.
Some Americans have even argued that China's more culpable than Russia because China allegedly ordered the invasion.

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"Did China Know Russia Would Invade Ukraine?

Abstract: Russia’s war with Ukraine has put China in an uncomfortable position. It now faces three irreconcilable choices:
Support Russia at the risk of contradicting core principles of its foreign policy and angering the West, abandon its alliance
and support the West, or do nothing and tarnish its image as a responsible great power. Chinese foreign policy is risk-averse.
At the same time, China has economic interests in Ukraine. Chinese scholars were announcing that a war would not happen,
officials openly rejected US intelligence reports, and the embassy was complacent in evacuation planning.
All considered China was likely caught by surprise when Russia invaded.

Bottom-line-up-front: The Russian invasion of Ukraine seems to have caught Beijing off-guard. This may have been due to
a “mirror image” bias, in which Beijing based its assessments of Russian behavior on Chinese military philosophy."

"While the optics may not favor claims that Beijing was indeed left in the dark, a more thoughtful assessment of the facts
on the ground appears to paint a different picture."

"If China did indeed fail to predict the crisis, it raises questions as to how exactly Beijing managed to make such a mammoth
strategic miscalculation. According to Yan Sun, it was the result of a “mirror image bias”: that “Chinese assessment of Russian
intentions was based on China's own military philosophy”. Chinese military strategists like Sun Tzu contend that “to win
100 battles is not the acme of skill, to win a war without fighting is the acme of skill”.

As Yan Sun elaborates, ancient Chinese strategic thinking dictates that “the best military operations ranked are: undermining the
enemy's plans, then diplomacy, then defeating the enemy on the battlefield (上兵伐谋,其次伐交,其次伐兵,其下攻城)”.
A full-scale war is always the least desirable last option. According to this interpretation, China viewed the Russian encirclement
of Ukraine as somewhat of a fait accompli, believing that the next step would be to bargain from a position of strength.
Russia already seemed to have the upper hand, making Beijing believe that war was unnecessary.

If this interpretation holds, it reinforces the idea that nations view the world through unique culturally inherited mental
frameworks that they subsequently project (unconsciously) onto others with vastly different histories and cultures.
When it comes to China and the Ukraine crisis, the case underscores the perils of succumbing to such biases."
 

solarz

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What did China know and when did China know it?
A popular Western belief is that China's almost as culpable as Russia in invading Ukraine.
Some Americans have even argued that China's more culpable than Russia because China allegedly ordered the invasion.

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"Did China Know Russia Would Invade Ukraine?

Abstract: Russia’s war with Ukraine has put China in an uncomfortable position. It now faces three irreconcilable choices:
Support Russia at the risk of contradicting core principles of its foreign policy and angering the West, abandon its alliance
and support the West, or do nothing and tarnish its image as a responsible great power. Chinese foreign policy is risk-averse.
At the same time, China has economic interests in Ukraine. Chinese scholars were announcing that a war would not happen,
officials openly rejected US intelligence reports, and the embassy was complacent in evacuation planning.
All considered China was likely caught by surprise when Russia invaded.

Bottom-line-up-front: The Russian invasion of Ukraine seems to have caught Beijing off-guard. This may have been due to
a “mirror image” bias, in which Beijing based its assessments of Russian behavior on Chinese military philosophy."

"While the optics may not favor claims that Beijing was indeed left in the dark, a more thoughtful assessment of the facts
on the ground appears to paint a different picture."

"If China did indeed fail to predict the crisis, it raises questions as to how exactly Beijing managed to make such a mammoth
strategic miscalculation. According to Yan Sun, it was the result of a “mirror image bias”: that “Chinese assessment of Russian
intentions was based on China's own military philosophy”. Chinese military strategists like Sun Tzu contend that “to win
100 battles is not the acme of skill, to win a war without fighting is the acme of skill”.

As Yan Sun elaborates, ancient Chinese strategic thinking dictates that “the best military operations ranked are: undermining the
enemy's plans, then diplomacy, then defeating the enemy on the battlefield (上兵伐谋,其次伐交,其次伐兵,其下攻城)”.
A full-scale war is always the least desirable last option. According to this interpretation, China viewed the Russian encirclement
of Ukraine as somewhat of a fait accompli, believing that the next step would be to bargain from a position of strength.
Russia already seemed to have the upper hand, making Beijing believe that war was unnecessary.

If this interpretation holds, it reinforces the idea that nations view the world through unique culturally inherited mental
frameworks that they subsequently project (unconsciously) onto others with vastly different histories and cultures.
When it comes to China and the Ukraine crisis, the case underscores the perils of succumbing to such biases."

LOL, like I said before, there is zero probability that Putin launched this war without Chinese approval.
 

Abominable

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What did China know and when did China know it?
A popular Western belief is that China's almost as culpable as Russia in invading Ukraine.
Some Americans have even argued that China's more culpable than Russia because China allegedly ordered the invasion.

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Those are the same Americans that believe COVID was a Chinese bioweapon created to destroy America.
 

Bill Blazo

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ISW Update:

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ISW had my respect in the first few days of the war, but it has recently degenerated completely into a mouthpiece of the Ukrainian military. Their maps in the south and east were ridiculously wrong for weeks. And every other sentence in their daily updates now begins with "the Ukrainian General Staff reports." There's no serious effort to question or challenge what's being reported by the Ukrainians, much of which is highly amplified propaganda designed to keep Western support and arms shipments flowing.
 
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