Ukrainian War Developments

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Overbom

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I think you answered your own question. I don't know much about Ukrainians but frankly, I don't think Putin should have said in his infamous speech "Russia (Soviet) is responsible for the creation of Modern Ukraine" and questioning the country's current statehood. This became a war of national identity for Ukrainians. That's a pretty strong ideological reason to fight.
Putin made a lot of mistakes in this war. That they are fighting Ukraine with a 0.8/9-to-1 troops ratio is just one of them.

Only a military genius would invade in such a way
 

lucretius

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This is a stupid argument. Ukrainians weren't singled out by a Georgian-led Soviet government dominated by Caucasians. Besides, by using this argument, you are basically nullifying deaths from nation-wide collectivization and purges. Does a Russian death mean anything to you? An Armenian? Are Ukrainian deaths somehow superior to Georgian/Uzbek/Belarusian/Kazakh deaths? Ukraine doesn't get to to single itself out for its suffering, yet ignore the damage which some of its elements caused to others.

I answered the question, "why does Ukraine resist so fiercely"

You need to argue your point with the Ukrainians, not me.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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They remember the last time the Russian's paid them a visit.

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historical memory is a weak motivator.

Half the Afghan population saw the Taliban hanging people in football stadiums with their own eyes in the 90's and yet the army still collapsed on contact.

France lost the Alsace-Lorraine to Prussia in 1870 and still collapsed within months to Nazi Germany.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Putin made a lot of mistakes in this war. That they are fighting Ukraine with a 0.8/9-to-1 troops ratio is just one of them.

Only a military genius would invade in such a way
Russia does have the technological edge right that should be a good force multiplier, especially when having the first mover advantage and taking out huge chunks of the Ukrainian armed forces. We hear the eastern Ukrainian soldiers are already running out of ammo, food, water and equipment.

Im also told that Americans are extremely sensitive for soldiers returning back home in body bags to the point they had to censor the footage from vietnam. Not sure how Russia are im sure they are also sensitive to it after ww2 experience.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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I think you answered your own question. I don't know much about Ukrainians but frankly, I don't think Putin should have said in his infamous speech "Russia (Soviet) is responsible for the creation of Modern Ukraine" and questioning the country's current statehood. This became a war of national identity for Ukrainians. That's a pretty strong ideological reason to fight.
Putin is mostly right though. Ukraine certainly wouldn't have its current border without Soviet policy of separate nations for nationalities, which I think is a big mistake. Good thing China didn't go down the same path.

historical memory is a weak motivator.

Half the Afghan population saw the Taliban hanging people in football stadiums with their own eyes in the 90's and yet the army still collapsed on contact.

France lost the Alsace-Lorraine to Prussia in 1870 and still collapsed within months to Nazi Germany.
Not only that, but even in WWI France lost a lot of ground despite drilling Revanchisme into their population for decades.
 

Temstar

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French President Emmanuel Macron said on Wednesday that he is prepared to keep up his dialogue with Russian leader Vladimir Putin and that France and Europe will do all they can to stop the war in Ukraine.
"We, the French and Europeans, will do everything to stop this war without entering it."
Et tu, Brute?
 

Shadow_Whomel

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Ah I thought we have a new obituary thread.
The obituaries contain positions, unit numbers, and some contain places of death that could be considered as where the battle lines were. I have posted only a portion of these and provided a source, if this is what you got from these then it seems to me that you are no different than a baby that can only be fed by someone else.
 
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