Ukrainian War Developments

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GodRektsNoobs

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EU is gear up for the next great war.
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Judging from the European PPI and inflation/shortages, I believe we will see the de-industrialization of Europe, with US absorbing most of the European industries and capital into its hollowed out economy. Europe will be hollowed out, canabalized by the US and fall into irrelevancy. And with Russia damaged and going back to lick its wounds, the world may end up in bipolar order again. I certainly wish it doesn't happen, but this is a prospect that I want to point out.
 

Temstar

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EU is gear up for the next great war.
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I thought this was a serious post until I saw the 5000 number.
To quote Aragorn "6000 will not be enough to break the lines of Mordor".
It's fine for Kazakhstan-style police action, for great power competition that's nothing. People are still not waking up to what a multipolar world means.
 

KYli

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I thought this was a serious post until I saw the 5000 number.
To quote Aragorn "6000 will not be enough to break the lines of Mordor".
French has advocated for an EU force for years with no available. Most countries are scared that it would undermine NATO. More importantly, They are afraid of offending the US.

It is still a start. Not sure if France and Germany have what it takes to go it all the way. Doubtful I would say.
 

ansy1968

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I thought this was a serious post until I saw the 5000 number.
To quote Aragorn "6000 will not be enough to break the lines of Mordor".
It's fine for Kazakhstan-style police action, for great power competition that's nothing. People are still not waking up to what a multipolar world means.
@Temstar and Putin draw a redline and declared "You shall not pass" and slammed a Kinzhal missile to prove a point...lol
 

ansy1968

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French has advocated for an EU force for years with no available. Most countries are scared that it would undermine NATO. More importantly, They are afraid of offending the US.

It is still a start. Not sure if France and Germany have what it takes to go it all the way. Doubtful I would say.
@KYli bro IF its French La Belle and German Schone Frau, count me in and I'll volunteer together with @Crang @horse @Bellum_Romanum and other brave and handsome members of SDF...lol
 

Chilled_k6

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2. Also...I think the Ukrainians are intentionally targeting the tanks. Tanks in mobile warfare are the most effective weapon against other tanks. IFVs and other lighter AFVs can take out tanks, but BTR videos aside, it's not as easy and far more prone to getting yourself killed. Preserve your own tank force (debatable if that is happening) and let the jerks in a jeep, cyka in a machina, chew up and get chewed up. When it is favorable to you, concentrate your surviving tanks and counterattack. IFVs are going to get rough treatment by tanks, even the older T-72s and T-64s.

edit add: Right now, the tanks are more vulnerable, too. General Mud, the Raputitsa, makes picking them off easier than it will be when everything dries out come late May.

So! Are the Ukrainians selectively killing tanks and preserving a nontrivial portion of their tanks for a larger counteroffensive.
I think this a very interesting point, but only if the Ukrainian forces have enough fuel, ammo and supplies for their armoured and mechanized forces to conduct the offensive. There have been a multiple posts here about the Ukrainian logistics issues.

Earlier in the war, I think the Ukrainian forces had an advantage in logistics with their very successful, numerous ambushes of Russian supply convoys. Russia was busy trying to suppress the Ukr AF and AD. Since then the front has stagnated, which ironically, actually benefits the Russians as they consolidate their gains, take less losses, and proceed to use their advantages in the air, cruise missiles, and artillery to destroy the Ukrainian logistics centers across the country (although I will say Ukraine also has some tactical successes with ther artillery).

And the ability to conduct the offensive, thus far, is in theory only. Witness the current Makariv story. Also so far, the strongest mechanized Ukrainian forces in the Donbas have basically not been able to conduct any offensive action. Advances by the separatists have been slow, but shouldn't the Ukrainians have an advantage against these guys? Instead they are on the back foot. They are trying to push at Izyum to prevent the Russians from the north in cutting off the east but will it be successful? Still remains to be seen.

Down in the southwest pass Kherson to Mycolaiv the Russians look spread thin and the Ukrainians have numbers. Maybe they can push there. The Russians used Kinzhal to hit the fuel depot in that area.

While constricting Mauripol hard, it hasn't cracked yet. I seem to recall a poster claiming Mauripol had fallen in a few hours the first night of the war. That post definitely aged well. I expect it will fall and probably by Sunday, but I thought it would have fallen already. Not yet. Not yet.
Mariupol had 3 Ukrainian brigades: 56th mechanized, 36th Marine Corps, 12th National guard. And then there's Azov paramilitaries who probably number a few thousand. I think maybe not all elements are present, but certainly very substantial numbers to cause a massive headache in urban settings. Mariupol has been entrenched for 8 years basically so no easy fight.
 

lapain

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4 weeks in and Russia hasn't won. Not in 72 hours. Not in 15 days. still not 28 days later. World War Z has yet to play itself out.

While constricting Mauripol hard, it hasn't cracked yet. I seem to recall a poster claiming Mauripol had fallen in a few hours the first night of the war. That post definitely aged well. I expect it will fall and probably by Sunday, but I thought it would have fallen already. Not yet. Not yet.

In any case, Mariupol will fall. Am starting to think that Zelensky also would like to have the Azov wiped out for common good and his own survival.

If the Russians cannot free up troops from Mauripol after they have taken it, I think Russia is in trouble. If they do not conduct another serious and successful offensive, they are serious trouble. in If the Russians are still fighting this war in July, they are screwed.

What's the hurry? They have secured most supply lines on currently consolidated areas. In the meantime they are busy targeting whatever logistics and supplies the Ukraine has while propping up the DPR / LPR militias into a semi-competent post-war homegrown weapon. Eventually it's either the UAF that falters or the civilian populace that will grab the reins against the Kiev government in the conflict zones. On the economic side, it's slowly becoming apparent that it is the EU who will pay the blockade more than Russia ever will.

So yes, time is definitely on Putin's side.

And if Poland goes haywire, then that's another bird with one stone as it seems, that the current invasion is not only aimed at Ukrainian nationalism and NATO expansive policies, but also against Polish-Baltic anti-Russian zeal.
 
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