Ukrainian War Developments

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Lapin

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Really .. and anything comming from the pro-Ruussian side is nothing but the truth and facts!?

I think anyone with a decent rationale knows pretty sure that the truth is one of the first victim of any war but I find it - to put it mildly - that some here still think this is a justified war against a Nazi-regime, that only military targets are attacked and destroyed and that the Russian mission is progressing as planned.

We should take ANY claim if not substantiated by image proof with a huge grain of salt.
Many writers here apparently believe that the reality that Western media routinely exaggerate or lie on some issues
must mean that we never should accept that Western media can report anything with tolerable accuracy or fairness.

I do not believe that Ukraine's government chose the wisest course before the war, but I don't get to choose its government.
I believe that Russia has some legitimate concerns or grievances. Nonetheless, Russia's invasion was an extreme measure.
Russia's war on Ukraine is legally and morally unjustified. Some patriotic Russians have been brave enough to say so.
I have more respect for them than for the writers who cheer on deadly violence from the safety of their armchairs.
 

Sardaukar20

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the US lost so much ground because of their endless wars. I think Russia will suffer the same. in the last thirty years, every major country have won the war they entered but lost out in the longer run.
The US fought wars for the sake of imperialism, based on lies. There were no Iraqi or Afghan hijackers in 9-11, there was no WMD in Iraq, there was no massacre by Milosevic, there was no massacre by Gaddafi, and etc. US and its allies have fought wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria with no clear objectives. Was was their objective? Was it liberation, or occupation, or counter-insurgency? They've got their objectives so messed-up, and they wantonly kill local civilians on top of that. Its no wonder they cannot truly win their wars.

For Russia, they are fighting a war against existential threats: NATO and fascism. These are far bigger threats to Russia than any level of threat that Saddam Hussein, Gadaffi, or Milosevic could ever pose to America. Russia's objectives are quite clear: to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. Russia has set out from day one to respect the human rights of most Ukrainians, except the fascists. Its quite a flawed strategy, but its still far better than how the West treats people on the other side in their own wars.

Russian propaganda campaigns only targeted the Ukronazis and their government. We don't see them spreading hate about the Ukrainian language, people, or culture. Contrast this to what those Ukrainian Russophobes are saying on Western media. We can hear them using xenophobic words like: "killing Russians", "banning Russians", and "blonde hair and blue eyes". Many of these Ukrainian interviewees advocated WWIII, and even hinted at relishing nuclear genocide on Russians. This is an enemy that Russia must defeat now. Not wait for them to come for Russia in the future with NATO protection behind them.

Its not like Russia didn't try talking at first. They have been doing that with Minsk I and II for 8 years. Ukraine, with the West's blessing have exhausted all peaceful options. Then Ukraine decided to ascend into NATO and dreamed about attaining nukes. How much further can they push Russia?

I don't think China is in the position to give any country special rights. China is against all wars. But China also doesn't believe in sanctions. To me "trade as usual" is a good policy. to be honest that's kinda how the US gain their hegemony anyway.
That's a naive statement. Yes, China doesn't desire war, but that doesn't mean that China would sit back from one that is brewing right beside it. There were many historical examples of China's own foreign intervention due to an impending existential threat. There were the: Korean War, the 1979 Vietnam War, and to a certain extent, the border conflicts with India. War is clearly China's last resort, but it is not something that would be off the table ever.

Just imagine that a neighbouring state is run by a Sinophobic fascist government. The people in this government are inspired by, and glorify Imperial Japanese war criminals. They regularly encourage Sinophobic progroms, pass laws banning any trace of Chinese identity, massacred local Chinese as well as Chinese nationals, and constantly taunt China. The West backs them in their anti-China crusade, even sending them weapons. This fascist state used those Western-supplied weapons to conduct more Sinophobic murders. They then progress to also conducting intermittent skirmishes with the PLA and PLAN. Some crazy people from this fascist state regularly appear on social media to talk about the inferiority of the Chinese race, and then brag about killing them. Then on one fine day, this fascist state asks for a Mutual Defence Treaty with the US. On top of that, it also expresses a desire to acquire nuclear weapons to point at China. When faced with such a problem, do you think that China should just keep "trade as usual"? Should China just sit back and wait for that fascist state to acquire US protection and nuclear weapons? Should China just stay passive, because the West might sanction China back to the 1980s? This is the situation that Russia faced with regards to Ukraine since 2014.
 

Lapin

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@victoon Pacifism can potentially be more dangerous than warmongering.

At least a warmonger has a small chance of survival if they gain begrudging respect for their aggression and cruelty, while a pacifist has zero respect from anyone and people view them as contemptible and weak.

Proof: Germany was a genocidal imperialist warmonger for hundreds of years.
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in Africa. they have also lost every single war they've fought since 1870 when they beat France. Even in Africa, they were
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in the end.

But because of their cruelty and aggression, even after 150+ years of military humiliation, people still fear Germany and view them as a potential great power. Germany today has been richly rewarded despite a long record of aggression and defeat.

Meanwhile, how about Thailand? Never colonized, never started a war. Where are they now?
"Meanwhile, how about Thailand? Never colonized, never started a war."

After the fall of France in 1940, Thailand hoped that the Vichy French forces in Indochina would be too weak
to resist a Thai invasion, which aimed at regaining (at least) territory once ceded by Thailand to the French.

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with impunity. The French retaliated with their own air attacks, but the damage they caused was less than equal."

"The Thai army swiftly overran Laos, but the French forces in Cambodia managed to rally and offer more resistance."

Japan 'mediated' a peace agreement by essentially imposing its terms upon the unhappy French and disappointed Thais.
Thailand received some territorial concessions but not as much as it had hoped for.
Nonetheless, the Thai people celebrated the successful outcome of Thailand's invasion of French Indochina.
 

Sardaukar20

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He just did an interview.



Well then it seems like he is truly alive. Then I readily admit that I have accepted Russia's propaganda too easily. Unlike those who refuse to believe the debunking of Ukrainian propaganda.

Nevertheless, he is expecting an easy fight with the Russians. He is now living in Kiev with flowing water and electricity. Should he thank the Russians for that? They have not turned Kiev into Kharkov or Mariupol yet, but its coming if Ukraine and the West continues this war. The Russians are not Taliban or ISIS, they have sophisticated ISR and well trained snipers too. They will be nothing like he has ever faced.
 

Darkon112

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And this is yet another example why it's hard to take Ukrainian PR with anything but laughter. Time and time again.





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And western media swallows it up like a mushroom swallows shit in darkness.


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