Ukrainian War Developments

Weaasel said:

... MANPADS are making blitzkriegs obsolete ...

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If that were true, it would be a great achievement. In the end, all wars would become unfeasible.

It is good if, in addition to MANPADS, drones and droids can soon be delivered in large numbers to every invaded country for defense and house-to-house combat. Unfortunately, this technology comes too late to save Ukraine.

gelgoog said:

Abrams has weak top side armor just like any other tank. And its turret is way larger a target than a T-72 like turret.
The solution is APS basically. That is why the US started putting the Israeli Trophy on the Abrams.
You can also install sensors to detect incoming fire and that will help you find the attacking teams more easily.

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The Achilles heel of russian type tanks are the carousel loader. Combined with two piece, combustible casing... you have a recipe for disaster once hit.

Intrepid said:

If that were true, it would be a great achievement. In the end, all wars would become unfeasible.

It is good if, in addition to MANPADS, drones and droids can soon be delivered in large numbers to every invaded country for defense and house-to-house combat. Unfortunately, this technology comes too late to save Ukraine

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It looks like the best solution to them for the foreseeable future is making tanks and armoured vehicles with even much thicker armour, which will mean forfeiting speed for increased protection.

LCR34 said:

The Achilles heel of russian type tanks are the carousel loader. Combined with two piece, combustible casing... you have a recipe for disaster once hit.

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As far as I am aware, the problem is on the ammo stored all around in the fighting compartment, which is also a problem for all tanks except maybe the Abrams.

The carousel itself is actually armored.

Of course, a direct hit on the carousel would be a problem, but so would be a hit on the bustle of an Abrams(if loaders keep the armored door open, as they usually do to save time), Leopard 2 or even worse on the Challenger 2 with it's fighting compartment filled to the brim with extra ammo

Intrepid said:

If that were true, it would be a great achievement. In the end, all wars would become unfeasible.

It is good if, in addition to MANPADS, drones and droids can soon be delivered in large numbers to every invaded country for defense and house-to-house combat. Unfortunately, this technology comes too late to save Ukraine.

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Yes, if Iraq has does then they have better chances to protect themselves.

Hopefully China and Russia will provide more weapons for the Hutis, Palestins, Sysrians Cubans, Venezualeans and so on.


But ,seriously ,you think that the house to house fight is a new one ?


The Germans did it with every city where they retreated, leveling everything on they way back.


And what type of cars the USA invasion forces will use in the future if the armored ones obsolote ?
Pick up trucks?

The T-90M has a reinforced carousel. It also stores extra ammo in a compartment on the back of the turret. And it has blow out panels.

RottenPanzer said:

Preparing to encircle the whole Ukrainian army in Donbass front i assume

Anti-Radiation Missile, i heard that these SU-35s were used specifically for SEAD and DEAD of Ukrainian S-300 sites

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Nah, the interesting part is behind.
UPABs(gliding guided bombs).

Video showing captured weapons from Ukraine troops. Includes T-64 tanks.

The Ministry of Defense showed the weapons of the national battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine captured in the Kiev region​

The department said that the equipment and weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine seized by the paratroopers will be transferred to the servicemen of the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR

MOSCOW, March 21. /TASS/. The Russian Ministry of Defense published on Monday a video showing weapons and military equipment of nationalist battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine seized in the Kiev region.

"Units of the Russian Airborne Forces ousted from the settlement in the suburbs of Kyiv the military personnel of the national battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who, retreating, left tanks, armored personnel carriers, a lot of small arms, anti-tank weapons and ammunition in good condition," the ministry said.

The Ministry of Defense stressed that the equipment and weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine seized by Russian paratroopers will be transferred to the servicemen of the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR.

Weaasel said:

Can NATO supplied MANPADS take out Abrams and other NATO tanks?

What must be done to overcome these most modern MANPADS? Must speed and mobility be sacrificed for much greater armour? MANPADS are making blitzkriegs obsolete... Advances must be slower and much more cautious... And one of the prime objectives of battle tactics will be to take out MANPAD teams...

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It is not MANPADS, that is air defence, but ATGM.


Anti tank missiles exsited in the second world war, and they didn't prevented the tanks to used in every fight.

And dring the 2nd WW there wasn't man portable anti aircraft weapons, means the planes flying above the battlefield and droping bombs onto the top of the tanks was as dangerous as MANPADS today.


Generally, what other option is there ,appart from tanks ?

Weaasel said:

Can NATO supplied MANPADS take out Abrams and other NATO tanks?

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MANPADS are against air targets and currently aren't suited(Not that you can't) to engage ground targets sensor wise (especially older MANPADS ) neither are they suited to engage tanks or anything remotely armored that can withstand 14,5 mm or more since their Directed-energy blast fragmentation warheads are fairly small and well fragmentation warheads....

However, MANPADS and ATGM fusion is on it's way.

Evolution wise it makes sense. A lot of ATGM's can already be used to down slow and low-flying targets like heli's.
And if you're going to be adding optical seeker especially multichannel ones. Which is what said ATGM will likely have and pretty much all of them will have sooner or later. Might as well make those anti-tank guided missiles even more multipurpose then they already frankly are.