Ukrainian War Developments

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Phead128

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@PhSt Dude are you really going to cut out the other half of my comment and frame it in a way that I said why would china need to save itself.
His brain is hardwired in simple black-and-white terms, so he often doesn't get the basics of reading comprehension correct. He loves to take words out of contexts.
My original comment

This is a dick move. No better than the assholes in the media. Cutting out the other half to push a completely different narrative then what the original comment says.

Nuclear War = No NATO = China doesn’t need to save itself from NATO = Nuclear Winter more important.
Of course. If Putin's nuclear threat is realized, China won't be targeted by NATO, because NATO wouldn't even exist after a nuclear exchange with Russia. China wouldn't even need to lift a finger to "save itself". China just needs to worry about a nuclear winter at that point.
 

Temstar

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Before the Rome meeting, there had been a fluid debate within the administration over whether to use the crisis in Ukraine to try to drive a wedge between China and Russia, who together declared shortly before the invasion that there were “no forbidden areas” in their friendship.

China’s role in spreading the Russian disinformation on Ukrainian biolabs, plus unspecified intelligence that Beijing is weighing Moscow’s request for arms, has helped tilt the internal administration debate toward the position of officials at Sullivan’s National Security Council, who have favored a more hawkish approach toward Beijing.

Officials at the State Department had previously seen more opportunity to split Beijing and Moscow over the war, arguing that Beijing’s equivocal statements on the crisis pointed to discomfort at Moscow’s actions. Sullivan publicly speculated in a CNN interview on Sunday that Putin “lied” to China’s leaders and they may not have understood the full extent of his plans in Ukraine.
Here's how you drive a wedge:
"If you stop supporting Russia we'll allow SMIC to buy EUV lithography machines and Huawei can get more chips from TSMC"

Here's how not do drive a wedge:
"If you don't stop supporting Russia we'll shit talk you in the media"
 

gelgoog

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Even among the oligarchs in Russia you have basically two groups. The ones which picked up, for pennies on the dollar, state owned corporate assets with export potential after the fall of the Soviet Union and the ones with businesses which operate mostly inside Russia.

The first group is universally reviled inside Russia and ran extractive businesses which leeched Russia to pile up fortunes stashed in the West.

Putin's massive state backed construction program over the past decade created a huge amount of private construction businesses in Russia. This is the second group. These companies have limited dealings with outside countries. When Putin made the counter sanctions against the EU, after the annexation of Crimea, a huge amount of those construction oligarchs moved into agribusiness and got fabulously rich. Putin also privatized most of the MIC into state owned corporations. He put the majority of oil&gas exploration under state control as well. This is a huge segment of the corporate sector in Russia both private and state backed. A lot of these people will see in the current Western sanctions a chance to get rich just like they did with the agribusiness. And those with connections to the West, thanks to Western asset seizures, lost a lot of the leverage they had in Russia in the first place.
 

zgx09t

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If Putin nukes anybody for anything short of a major attack on Russia itself he's a f--king idiot. Why? Because at that point he's basically committing suicide.

Is he? or are you? I for one would like see a real MAD thing go boom this time, and start everything all over again, with whatever and whoever are left. That'd show generations to come to realize no mofo are super power and shits when everyone got the same thing. You in?
 

Fede_LV

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Russia's nuclear arsenal is not as credible as the US's nuclear arsenal. They have a lot of warheads but have limited ways of delivering them to their targets. China has the same issue, which is why the US establishment does not fear nuclear war with either country. They know that in the end, they will win.
Did you bang your head often when you were a kid?
 

sheogorath

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Russia's nuclear arsenal is not as credible as the US's nuclear arsenal. They have a lot of warheads but have limited ways of delivering them to their targets. China has the same issue, which is why the US establishment does not fear nuclear war with either country. They know that in the end, they will win.
Russia has as many deployed warheads as the US does. They just put emphasis on a different part of the nuclear triad
 
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