Ukrainian War Developments

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Overbom

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How the f.. did we arrive at this juncture? What's the genesis of this conflict, what I mean is when did the escalation started? Can you help enlighten me on this issue? I am well aware that the Russia vs Ukraine stems from the unraveling of the previous pro-Russian government that was toppled what is commonly known as the Maidan revolution. The subsequent annexation of Crimea or gained independence through unrecognized referendum. The separate enclave of Donbass and Lunestk?

But the prospect of war during Trump’s presidency didn't become a factor nor was the Ukrainian government headed by the same comedian President Zalanksy were itching or making any provocative move against Russia during that time. Fast forward to Biden’s presidency, a so-called "diplomacy first" presidency the situation in Ukraine vs Russia has gotten worst to the point that a war between two culturally linked people are about to decapitate each other. Am I missing something here? Or am I seeing that the very actions and rhetoric of Joe Biden are what's caused this incoming human catastrophe.

@Overbom help me understand or fill any gaps here will you.
Here what I think. I dont want to write a very long post so I will just write some oversimplified opinions on each power's national comprehensive power and then write some of my thoughts

- Russia: extrenely large relative (if not absolute) decline.

- EU relative decline on the global stage but increasingly dominating in a regional scale

- US relative decline on the global stage but it is still the hegemon and has quite a lot of "savings" accumulated.

- China: meteoric rise in the global stage.

The West has managed to draw Ukraine closer to it due to various reasons. Ofc the big one is orange revolution and the CIA but the birth of all problems stem from Russia's weak economy, lack of reforms and people not liking the "Russian system" (corruption)

It all boils down to finding a random Ukrainian and asking him:
"20 years in the future, what system would you like your country to follow, the EU/West or the Russian system?" The majority of them would say "EU/West"

What Putin is facing now is that as more time passes, Ukraine will inevitably get closer to EU and like it even more. So in my opinion, Putin has seen this and has decided to end this matter now that he has time and a window of opportunity to do so (high inflation in the west)

He has accepted/took a step back that Ukraine won't be close to Russia but on the other hand, he won't simply surrender Ukraine to the West. As such he wants Ukraine to not join NATO (and probably EU). A Finland-style solution would be a good compromise for Ukraine, meaning that it would become neutral.

As for the US, I have written before (last year) that it would be ideal if it could knock out Russia by collective western sanctions to it and "only" having to sacrifice a single disposable pawn, Ukraine and increased inflation for one or two years.
On the other hand, US fears inflation so it depends on how they balance these issues. IMO even with inflation fears, this is a precious window of opportunity where the US can economically delete Russia from its future rivalry with China

Honestly, I think that this opportunity is far too important for the US Deep state to ignore. This could help them in the long run on the rivalry with China. This is why I think that US would love to have Russia attack Ukraine. It would finally be able to rope in EU to impose crippling (harsher than the Crimea sanctions) sanctions on Russia

In the end, I hope can Putin can be smart on this and have a proper game plan. The whole world knows that an actual invasion would be terrible for Russia's economy so it is very possible (if not certain) that Putin is just trying to show that he is ready to invade in order to extract concessions from the West


Anyway, these are my short thoughts. I am sure that with these being so short, people can find plenty of loopholes and problematic points but please keep in mind that I am talking from an oversimplified long term strategic point of view
 
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Appix

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How the f.. did we arrive at this juncture? What's the genesis of this conflict, what I mean is when did the escalation started? Can you help enlighten me on this issue? I am well aware that the Russia vs Ukraine stems from the unraveling of the previous pro-Russian government that was toppled what is commonly known as the Maidan revolution. The subsequent annexation of Crimea or gained independence through unrecognized referendum. The separate enclave of Donbass and Lunestk?

But the prospect of war during Trump’s presidency didn't become a factor nor was the Ukrainian government headed by the same comedian President Zalanksy were itching or making any provocative move against Russia during that time. Fast forward to Biden’s presidency, a so-called "diplomacy first" presidency the situation in Ukraine vs Russia has gotten worst to the point that a war between two culturally linked people are about to decapitate each other. Am I missing something here? Or am I seeing that the very actions and rhetoric of Joe Biden are what's caused this incoming human catastrophe.

@Overbom help me understand or fill any gaps here will you.

 

james smith esq

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I’m prepared, now, to survive for three months, at least, in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange. But, I don’t think that another 30 gallons of water would hurt. And, as I live in ‘Murcia, I ain’t sharin’! I’ll share my bullets, tho’, one each!

If I take a direct hit, oh well!
 
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