Ukrainian War Developments

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taxiya

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Can you prove he didn't? Just because you don't like what he says doesn't mean it isn't genuine. If he didn't write it, it would be an easy propaganda win for China to have him come out and say that, no?
Can you prove he did? Just because you like what he was claimed to have "said" doesn't mean it is genuine. If he did write it, it would be an easy propaganda win for whoever (claiming he did) to show how the article was acquired, no?

Since you seem to be confident that the article is real, why don't you prove it is real? I think the burden of proof always lay on the person who makes the claim, not the one who question its authenticity.
 

gelgoog

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The western economy was almost completely decoupled from the Soviet Union and most satellite states for more than four decades during the cold war. Even during the oil crises in the seventies which hit the western world much harder than the current energy crises.
The loss of Iranian oil in the 1970s was countered by the North Sea oil discoveries. Most of those deposits are now near depletion as are the ones in the Arabian Peninsula. The only cheap oil left is in Iran. Venezuela's huge deposits would require huge investments too. Similar to those Canada had to make for like two decades to get tar sands working. While the production shortfall can be compensated for eventually the oil price will still rise. Indian and Chinese oil&gas consumption today is also much larger. All over the Cold War period Russia never cut supply to Europe. Back then the Soviets were supplying the whole of Eastern Europe too as it was part of the Warsaw Pact. There is simply no way around the Russian energy. It will move to alternative markets but to even consider cutting it totally off is nothing short of collective suicide. Europe and Japan also have no way around it for 5-10 years. Unless they shut their whole industries down to conserve energy.

The world is different today of course but decoupling is the most likely outcome if Russia doesn't work out a bilateral solution with Ukraine. No way around it.
Decoupling was already happening. This merely sped it up a bit.

Everybody lose but Russia the most,
Add rearmament, renewed nuclear deterrence, policy and alliance reaffirment, public sentiments and so on and things do look grim and set in stone for what might follow.
Those that think that everyone will simply forget in a couple of months with everything going back to normal are only fooling tthemselves.
The US still has sanctions on Cuba and Iran. Cuba has been under sanctions for, what, like 70 years? Iran for like 50?
 

Maikeru

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Can you prove he did? Just because you like what he was claimed to have "said" doesn't mean it is genuine. If he did write it, it would be an easy propaganda win for whoever (claiming he did) to show how the article was acquired, no?

Since you seem to be confident that the article is real, why don't you prove it is real? I think the burden of proof always lay on the person who makes the claim, not the one who question its authenticity.
The burden of proof lies on those making the allegations of forgery or fraud. Trust me, I'm a lawyer.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The burden of proof lies on those making the allegations of forgery or fraud. Trust me, I'm a lawyer.
no, you made the assertion that it was authentic. We asked for proof, as is standard for any assertion of authenticity. Otherwise what's the point in authentication if a verbal assertion is sufficient? Typically the original document is sufficient so where's the original document?

In absence of original documentation we can infer intent. I already showed you the intent, straight from the words of the foreign ministry at an official press conference that was on the record.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The burden of proof lies on those making the allegations of forgery or fraud. Trust me, I'm a lawyer.
Pretty shitty lawyer then as the 'evidence' you're providing doesn't actually have good proof of him writing it lmao (can be remedied if you can post the original link ofc).

Also why no response to #12056 as well?? (link Ukrainian War Developments)
 

KYli

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In the late 70 and early 80s, the West economy was crippled due to the hyperinflation. After the trade wars, pandemic and sanctioning of Chinese tech companies, the supplies chain is already a mess. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the all out sanctions against Russia would drive up the food and oil prices.

Enjoy your hyperinflation. My only concern is many African nations and Asians would have difficulty to put food on the table and hungry and starvation isn't out of question as fertilizers, oil and food exports in Ukraine and Russia and Belarus are essential for many countries.
 

Abominable

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Maikeru is just like that other turk here who was banned.
An Ukrop propagandist.
Nah, he's been here a long time.
He's just going through the 5 stages of grief.
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He's currently at bargaining. "China will save us!"
The western economy was almost completely decoupled from the Soviet Union and most satellite states for more than four decades during the cold war. Even during the oil crises in the seventies which hit the western world much harder than the current energy crises.
The world is different today of course but decoupling is the most likely outcome if Russia doesn't work out a bilateral solution with Ukraine. No way around it. Everybody lose but Russia the most.
Add rearmament, renewed nuclear deterrence, policy and alliance reaffirment, public sentiments and so on and things do look grim and set in stone for what might follow.
Those that think that everyone will simply forget in a couple of months with everything going back to normal are only fooling themselves.
Ukraine is finished as far as I can see.

The only question is what will happen between the west and Russia afterwards. Biden isn't going to confront Russia militarily. Russia could be hit hard by sanctions, maybe America will force Europe to stop buying Russian oil and gas.

But it's not like Russia sells things to the Europe that can easily be replaced, it's mainly commodities. All it will mean is a reshuffling of who buys oil and gas from where. Anything replaceable will be gone though (e.g. software).
Europe sells a lot of high value products that would hurt their economies more. Instead of buying expensive German cars, Russians will be buying cheaper Chinese cars. In fact, most things that Russia gets from Europe can be bought from China at a cheaper cost.

I think in the end both Russia and Europe will decide it's not worth sabotaging your economy for no reason. There probably will be some targeted sanctions against politicians and that'll be the end of it in terms of the economic war.
 
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