Ukrainian War Developments

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james smith esq

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Very obviously and in large part because of the relentless barrage from Western Media, everybody has been fixated on the performance of the Russian military and how it has not performed as well as expected.
Virtually nothing however has been said (bar plucky Ukrainian resistance pokes the Nose of the Russian Bear) of the performance of the Ukrainian military especially at the top strategic level.
Mainly because there is not much to discuss?

It really does seem that the Ukrainian side has been more interested in promoting sound bites than actual sound strategy.
I question if any thought above the tactical level has really been made at all?

All there seems to be is a stubborn reluctance to abandon any territory at all, especially in the Donbas where a massive entrenched army of some 60,000 are encircled in the North Donbas and Mariupol. Other units have found themselves under siege in other major Eastern Cities. All of these forces; the bulk and best of the Ukrainian army, are trapped and face total destruction.

The point here is that Russia's objective in destroying the Ukrainian Army was made explicit at outset and the build up to the Invasion long and clearly identified. Why then did not the Ukrainian army make plans in the light of this reality.

The plan (hardly a strategy) to cling to every inch is obviously going to fail. The Ukraine is going to lose the territory and the troops trapped within it. It seems so much more sensible to have fallen back to the best and obvious defensive line they had, which is the Dnieper River and Kiev. Yes it would have meant conceding territory, but would have saved the army, and this would have given them some negotiating power, when the time for talking finally arrives.
It seems, to me, that neither side was actually prepared for this conflict. But, then again, maybe their cultural similarities also extend to the domain of warfare?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The primary support china needs in the next 10 years is for Russia to extend her nuclear umbrella to cover china in case of conflict over taiwan. This Russia is unlikely to do in any circumstances short of a simultaneous NATO attack on russia, which is also unlikely. In Everything else Russia is not positioned or capable of positing herself to render decisive assistance to China at china’s point of greatest strategic vulnerability. So Chinese assistance to russia must be calibrated with the limitation of the value of realistic Russian reciprocity in mind.
China doesn't need Russian umbrella. The 300+ new silos, DF-41 rollouts and new SSBNs work just fine.

What China does need is Russia's geographic location and existing infrastructure for early warning tracking and global early warning coverage, which is
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China already has
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in place. Russia will provide more global coverage and a robust backup.
 

Maikeru

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You are assuming that the real "Hu Wei" actually wrote that article posted by the web site.
DID HE really?

I can write something saying that Antony Blinken is negotiating with Lavrov to sell off Ukraine and post it on my own web site, then have some of my friends to spread it. You may not believe me, but do you believe Antony Blinken?
Can you prove he didn't? Just because you don't like what he says doesn't mean it isn't genuine. If he didn't write it, it would be an easy propaganda win for China to have him come out and say that, no?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Perhaps it was translated from Chinese to English? Just a thought.

Also perhaps you could check out the article's author because, on the face of it, he would appear to have rather more insight and influence on the thinking of the top levels of CPC than you do:

"Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor."
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Richard Santos

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丶一。
China doesn't need Russian umbrella. The 300+ new silos, DF-41 rollouts and new SSBNs work just fine.

What China does need is Russia's geographic location and existing infrastructure for early warning tracking and global early warning coverage, which is
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China already has
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in place. Russia will provide more global coverage and a robust backup.
silos are incomplete, DF-41s are few in number, the most reliable estimate says china still has much work to do to substantially increase the number of warheads. Lack of a credible nuclear umbrella is china greatest and potentially fatal weakness, and the availability of a credible nuclear umbrella is russia’s one unimpeachably dominating strategic asset.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Can you prove he didn't? Just because you don't like what he says doesn't mean it isn't genuine. If he didn't write it, it would be an easy propaganda win for China to have him come out and say that, no?
lol wtf??? how is it an easy propaganda win to respond to a blog post? To respond with the authority of government would be a massive propaganda loss because then it legitimizes any random blog.

If this is true, then it'll hit mainstream media, then US government positions, then you might see a response.

As for now, the actual position of the PRC is what FM spokesman Zhao Lijian says in his capacity as an official representative. Unlike Hu Wei, he's the voice of decisionmakers and actually employed by the central government.

Here's what he says at an official press conference, not some shady 2nd hand webpage:

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Hmm, looks to me like he's accusing Ukraine of having bioweapons, saying that China's stance on Ukraine is consistent, then warned NATO against expanding its borders. Doesn't seem to have even 1% negative remarks about Russia.
 

gelgoog

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According to CFR, Russia entered the war with almost 10,000 tanks in its inventory, so they are losing 1% of that a week at the current rate. Furthermore, what percentage of those tanks can be considered modern?
Russia does not have 10,000 operational tanks. Most tanks are in long term storage. It still has more tanks than the whole of NATO combined though. All Russian "modern" tanks are in active service. But I do not think even half of them are inside Ukraine right now.

According to one source I could find, by 2020 Russia had upgraded a total of 558 tanks to the T-72B3 standard. They lost more than 10% of that set by now.
The Russians have had quite a few tank losses in this conflict. But I think you should not put much faith in those tank loss numbers you see posted on the Internet. Most Russian tank losses also seem to be from mechanical breakdowns not active combat. To be honest I expected for there to be more Russian tank losses. Given Ukraine has been flooded with modern ATGMs. Both 1990s, 2000s, and even 2010 ones. Had the US faced the same kind of opposition in Iraq 2003 occupation would have been a lot more difficult. Even then the US M1 tanks had issues with the limited RPG-29 stock the Iraqis had and I remember seeing photos of three disabled M1 tanks back then. Some claim there were more US tank losses but they were never published. And the US only officially accounted for tanks which were totally destroyed in Iraq not disabled (i.e. mobility kill) or broken down tanks.

That part will be easy.
USA managed it after nuclear bombing Japan, and Russia has gas, oil and food its disposal.
Japan was totally surrounded and had no possibility of supply for long term insurgency. This conflict is going to be much bloodier.
Syria or Iraq like conflict. However it won't go like Afghanistan, like some US analysts talk about. Because this is a conflict right next to Russia's industrial and population core. Supply chains are a lot shorter, interaction with population will be a lot smoother because of lower communication barrier.

Thats almost like a ‘don’t build them like they used to’ meme.
Soviet apartment block takes multiple tank rounds - small localised fires. Londoner tries to freeze some food, whole modern western tower block turns into inferno.
That is what you get when you wrap buildings in flammable plastic cladding instead of using concrete.

We are witnessing the Russian changed tactics. They are using combined arms tactics and coordinating artillery with drones. Instead of risking Russian AF by flying in low to drop dumb bombs, they are using more artillery. While RuAF has expanded and started targeting west with precision strikes.
Some people thought the Russians would be reenacting WWI/II. But a lot of people forget how those wars started in the first place. Artillery is only moved in large numbers once the lines settle down. I also told you guys we would see artillery using Krasnopol rounds sooner or later. And just like I said they are using Krasnopol right now.

Meanwhile, the Russian army are using siege tactics and then once surrounded, pound with artillery and then move in with tanks. We will see more videos like this one. It's working and Mariupol and Kharkiv will fall soon. It is brutal with civilian casualties but Ukraine are also stationing weapons in residential areas and even occupying schools. We've seen those videos.
This seems to be similar to techniques used in the Syrian war. I think eventually you will see Russia making tank repair depots inside Ukraine proper. Probably after they control the part of Ukraine east of the Dnieper. Right now those are in Russian controlled territory.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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The western economy was almost completely decoupled from the Soviet Union and most satellite states for more than four decades during the cold war. Even during the oil crises in the seventies which hit the western world much harder than the current energy crises.
The world is different today of course but decoupling is the most likely outcome if Russia doesn't work out a bilateral solution with Ukraine. No way around it. Everybody lose but Russia the most.
Add rearmament, renewed nuclear deterrence, policy and alliance reaffirment, public sentiments and so on and things do look grim and set in stone for what might follow.
Those that think that everyone will simply forget in a couple of months with everything going back to normal are only fooling themselves.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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丶一。

silos are incomplete, DF-41s are few in number, the most reliable estimate says china still has much work to do to substantially increase the number of warheads. Lack of a credible nuclear umbrella is china greatest and potentially fatal weakness, and the availability of a credible nuclear umbrella is russia’s one unimpeachably dominating strategic asset.
Silos have been completed. See removal of the tents in time lapse images from June 2021 to end of January 2022.

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How do you know the numbers of DF-41s?
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then 16 of them showed up on parade in October.

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. If they can miss 20% from one year then how do you know they didn't still miss 20% the next year? Well, we don't have to guess.
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