Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Miragedriver
Brigadier
Lugansk, after UA arty strikes 12/02/2015
Back to bottling my Grenache
Back to bottling my Grenache
I was actually quite taken with the latest kot_ivanov map
If you magnify the map and look at the southern part of the Debaltsevo salient, you cannot but fail to notice how the representations of the front and the Pro US fortified positions, resemble the face of a corpse!
If you magnify the map and look at the southern part of the Debaltsevo salient, you cannot but fail to notice how the representations of the front and the Pro US fortified positions, resemble the face of a corpse!
The situation after Minsk talks resambles a lot that in 1938. When Germany wanted a part of Czechoslovakia and they they succeeded in their claims (protecting the laws of German minority there). After Munich that awsome guy named Winston Churchill said those famous words
If we had moved back this forum to 1939 I could easily imagine users of today writing 'Poland is a joke country which can't get together after Treaty of Versailles' just like they speak about Ukraine being artificial creation of USRR decomposition. I can only hope that Chancellor Merkel will stand up to the task as it seems like she's the only hope out there for Europe.
criticising British PM Chamberlain who waved those pieces of paper from Munich screaming 'I'm bringing you peace with hounour! Peace of our time!'. And I don't have to write here who was right and who was a puppet rightfully ending up in infamy and garbage heap of history.
If we had moved back this forum to 1939 I could easily imagine users of today writing 'Poland is a joke country which can't get together after Treaty of Versailles' just like they speak about Ukraine being artificial creation of USRR decomposition. I can only hope that Chancellor Merkel will stand up to the task as it seems like she's the only hope out there for Europe.
Geographer
Junior Member
Janiz, what about the wishes of Novorossiyans?
There are no Novorossiyans. You can check Google from, let's ay 2-3 years before the conflict and 2005 and there were Novorossiyans existing in this realm. Just as there isn't a single Novorossiyan alive today (or ever). It's not a nation. Maybe somebody from this board heard about them or could prove that he wrote about the problem before that? This is a real artificial creation from nothing. From the start pro-Russian separatists had claimed that they're fighting to protect the Russian minority in the eastern Ukraine which was actively destroyed by the Kiyev regime (according to their words). The same as in Crimea.
Now this is interesting. Maybe behind the verbiage we are getting a glimpse of what for you (and many other Poles) is the real issue of all this?
Namely that you are concerned that Merkel seems prepared to sponsor a process that would declare the European post war consensus dead and; that by doing so, she opens the door to a discussion about the sovereignty of East Prussia (another dead state) which currently would be unthinkable?
No.
She's not prepared to sponsor anything and 110% not East Prussia (whatever it meant).
MwRYum
Major
Poles' anti-Russia sentiment is legendary, up to an including seizing any and all opportunity to get back at Russia, even if that means to slump with neo-Nazis, they'd happily do so. This whole thing would've stopped at Crimea, even if the new Kiev regime is dominated by ranks of Banderites, if not for the anti-Russian agenda it waved around with such earnest during the early days, the Eastern Ukrainians (which, a large chuck are ethnic Russians) would not be so early got galvanised.
And now, Poles seems to back the Banderites 110%.