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True, but how many does the Ukraine has left right now to be effective in fighting the Rebels?
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True, but how many does the Ukraine has left right now to be effective in fighting the Rebels?
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Jura The idiot
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now they said an agreement should be signed (meaning signed soon) consisting of 12 or 13 points, and added it would be one point for each hour of negotiations ... but I wouldn't be joking at this point ... for example a checkpoint in the outskirts of Mariupol was shelled from MRLS this morning (according to a local server down there:
Peace in our times, but I seriously doubt it will last given how unwilling Kiev is to talk to the militia. How can there be a peace under that kind of attitude? Just another temporary ceasefire to get out of the cauldron that trapped 7,000 Kiev troops. Wait for Spring Offensive.
Putin says agreement has been reached
on: February 12, 2015
Vladimir Putin said it was “not the best night in my life, but we managed to secure an agreement on the thing that was most important,” including a ceasefire that is to start at midnight on February 15.
The president also said negotiations took longer because of “Kiev’s unwillingness to deal with” the self-proclaimed republics in east Ukraine. He says this must change in the future.
The leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine are meeting in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, to discuss a last-ditch attempt to negotiate a political solution to the bloody Ukrainian civil war.
Putin says agreement has been reached
on: February 12, 2015
Vladimir Putin said it was “not the best night in my life, but we managed to secure an agreement on the thing that was most important,” including a ceasefire that is to start at midnight on February 15.
The president also said negotiations took longer because of “Kiev’s unwillingness to deal with” the self-proclaimed republics in east Ukraine. He says this must change in the future.
The leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine are meeting in the Belarusian capital, Minsk, to discuss a last-ditch attempt to negotiate a political solution to the bloody Ukrainian civil war.
The Minsk ceasefire deal, point by point
Published time: February 12, 2015 12:01
Russian President Vladimir Putin (C) shakes hands with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko (R) during a meeting on February 11, 2015 in Minsk.(AFP Photo / Andrey Stasevich)
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A glimpse of hope has appeared for peace in Ukraine after a 13-point memorandum was signed Thursday in Minsk.
The deal was brokered by the leaders of France, Germany and Russia, who joined their Ukrainian counterpart on Wednesday for marathon overnight negotiations.
The deal was signed by the so-called “contact group,” which includes the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, a representative of the OSCE, Ukraine’s former President Viktor Kuchma and the Russian ambassador to Ukraine.
Here is the breakdown of the deal:
1. A comprehensive ceasefire in eastern Ukraine. Comes into force at 00.00 (Kiev time) on February 15.
Reuters / Maxim Shemetov
2. A pullout of heavy weapons. The parties agreed to a compromise disengagement line. Kiev is to pull artillery and other hardware from the current frontline while the rebels would do it from the frontline as it was in September, before they gained ground in a January counter-offensive. The OSCE-monitored safety zone would be 50 km to 150 km wide for weapons, depending on their range. The pullout is to be completed by March 1.
A Ukrainian army tank. Reuters / Maxim Shemetov
3. The OSCE will use its drone fleet and monitors on the ground, as well as satellite images and radar data to ensure that both parties stick to the deal.
Reuters / Nikolai Ryabchenko
4. Kiev and the rebels will negotiate the terms for future local elections in the rebel-held areas, which would bring them back into Ukraine’s legal framework. Kiev would adopt legislation on self-governance that would be acceptable for the self-proclaimed republics.
RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko
5. Kiev will declare a general amnesty for the rebels.
6. An exchange of all prisoners must be completed by the fifth day after full disengagement. That’s in 19 days, if the weapons pullback takes the full time provided for by the deal.
7. Humanitarian aid convoys will be allowed full access to the needy in the war-affected areas. An international monitoring mechanism will be provided.
8. Kiev will restore economic ties, social payments and banking services in the dissenting areas, which it cut earlier in response to the elections held by the self-proclaimed republics. Their respective governments will resume taxation and payment for utilities. This provision is subject for further negotiation.
9. After the local elections are held in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, Kiev is to restore control over their borders with Russia. The transition may take time, which would be needed for a comprehensive constitutional reform in Ukraine.
10. All foreign troops, heavy weapons and mercenaries are to be withdrawn from Ukraine. Illegal armed groups would be disarmed, but local authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk would be allowed to have legal militia units.
11. Keiv will implement comprehensive constitutional reform by the end of the year, which would decentralize the Ukrainian political system and give privileges to Donetsk and Lugansk. The privileges include language self-determination, the freedom to appoint prosecutors and judges, and to establish economic ties with Russia.
12. The OSCE’s election monitors are to see that local elections in the self-proclaimed republics are up to international standards. The exact procedure for the elections is subject to further negotiations.
13. Talks between the “contact group” will be intensified in various ways.
Published time: February 12, 2015 12:01
Russian President Vladimir Putin (C) shakes hands with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko (R) during a meeting on February 11, 2015 in Minsk.(AFP Photo / Andrey Stasevich)
, , ,
A glimpse of hope has appeared for peace in Ukraine after a 13-point memorandum was signed Thursday in Minsk.
The deal was brokered by the leaders of France, Germany and Russia, who joined their Ukrainian counterpart on Wednesday for marathon overnight negotiations.
The deal was signed by the so-called “contact group,” which includes the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, a representative of the OSCE, Ukraine’s former President Viktor Kuchma and the Russian ambassador to Ukraine.
Here is the breakdown of the deal:
1. A comprehensive ceasefire in eastern Ukraine. Comes into force at 00.00 (Kiev time) on February 15.
Reuters / Maxim Shemetov
2. A pullout of heavy weapons. The parties agreed to a compromise disengagement line. Kiev is to pull artillery and other hardware from the current frontline while the rebels would do it from the frontline as it was in September, before they gained ground in a January counter-offensive. The OSCE-monitored safety zone would be 50 km to 150 km wide for weapons, depending on their range. The pullout is to be completed by March 1.
A Ukrainian army tank. Reuters / Maxim Shemetov
3. The OSCE will use its drone fleet and monitors on the ground, as well as satellite images and radar data to ensure that both parties stick to the deal.
Reuters / Nikolai Ryabchenko
4. Kiev and the rebels will negotiate the terms for future local elections in the rebel-held areas, which would bring them back into Ukraine’s legal framework. Kiev would adopt legislation on self-governance that would be acceptable for the self-proclaimed republics.
RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko
5. Kiev will declare a general amnesty for the rebels.
6. An exchange of all prisoners must be completed by the fifth day after full disengagement. That’s in 19 days, if the weapons pullback takes the full time provided for by the deal.
7. Humanitarian aid convoys will be allowed full access to the needy in the war-affected areas. An international monitoring mechanism will be provided.
8. Kiev will restore economic ties, social payments and banking services in the dissenting areas, which it cut earlier in response to the elections held by the self-proclaimed republics. Their respective governments will resume taxation and payment for utilities. This provision is subject for further negotiation.
9. After the local elections are held in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, Kiev is to restore control over their borders with Russia. The transition may take time, which would be needed for a comprehensive constitutional reform in Ukraine.
10. All foreign troops, heavy weapons and mercenaries are to be withdrawn from Ukraine. Illegal armed groups would be disarmed, but local authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk would be allowed to have legal militia units.
11. Keiv will implement comprehensive constitutional reform by the end of the year, which would decentralize the Ukrainian political system and give privileges to Donetsk and Lugansk. The privileges include language self-determination, the freedom to appoint prosecutors and judges, and to establish economic ties with Russia.
12. The OSCE’s election monitors are to see that local elections in the self-proclaimed republics are up to international standards. The exact procedure for the elections is subject to further negotiations.
13. Talks between the “contact group” will be intensified in various ways.
Jura The idiot
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hmmm ... This:
which is the version of today's Minsk Agreement as photographed by somebody right after it was signed this morning, I found in the blog of "Cassad" ... if interested, in the point #2 you could see «Торнадо-С» (Tornado-S) ... the translation of this point according to the Telegraph:
(boldface font added by me)
Miragedriver
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Azov regiment's operations in Sakhanka Vicinity and tank T-64BM1M of national guard of Ukraine. South-east of Ukraine. District of Mariupol. Donetsk Oblast. Ukraine. 02.11.2015.
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