Yesterday and today I saw and heard a lot of speculation from several sides that the cease fire is at its end and that large scale fighting will resume but that was based on numbers of soldiers and civilians killed on a day not very different from what has been usual since February.
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Guys, let's not go down the op-ed, political path...again.
Both sides can do it, and pretty soon it is just arguments and political/ideological back and forth. It cuts both ways in such cases as this.
SD is not about that.
So stick to the military/defense "news," and not opinions pieces where someone explains to us what it all means.
We will let SD members figure that out on their own.
And they then can discuss the political and ideological views somewhere else.
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Both sides can do it, and pretty soon it is just arguments and political/ideological back and forth. It cuts both ways in such cases as this.
SD is not about that.
So stick to the military/defense "news," and not opinions pieces where someone explains to us what it all means.
We will let SD members figure that out on their own.
And they then can discuss the political and ideological views somewhere else.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Ukraine's president says the Kremlin maintains 50,000 troops on the border
Rodrigo Fernandez Moscow 24 Aug 2015
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, during the commemoration of the country's independence. / Efrem Lukatsky (AP)
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, has accused Russia on Monday to concentrate more than 50,000 troops on the border with his country and said that the threat of invasion still very much alive. During the commemoration of the 24th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, Poroshenko has defended the peace agreements signed in Minsk last February as a solution to conflict in the east of the country, where pro-Russian rebels have proclaimed the so-called people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk .
In a speech at the famous Maidan Square in the center of Kiev, speech Poroshenko said the Kremlin has not given up the idea of invading Ukraine or directly launch an offensive of the rebels inside the country. Proof of this is, according to the Ukrainian leader, Russia keeps on its eastern border, "a military grouping of more than 50,000 men." To these must be added "9,000 professional soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" deployed in the "occupied territories", which is defined as the Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk regions controlled by the pro-Russian rebels. In addition, Moscow has given the rebels 500 tanks, 400 artillery systems and 950 armored vehicles, he added.
"We are ready to reject"
Despite all this display, the Ukrainian president said that Kiev is able to neutralize the threat of invasion: "The enemy knows that we are ready to reject it and the price of an escalation would be extremely high for Russia," he said. Moscow is already suffering the consequences of the sanctions imposed by the West, while Ukraine has strengthened its defense capacity, said Poroshenko just hours before meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande to discuss the situation in the east Ukraine.
Both Merkel and Hollande insisted that the validity of these agreements is the only way to stabilize the country and to end hostilities. "We came here to implement the agreement in Minsk and not to question it," said the chancellor, during a joint appearance before reporters at the headquarters of the German government, Enrique Müller report. Merkel and Hollande warned that the main aspects of the agreement were not being met as the cease-fire, disarmament and freedom of movement for observers from the OSCE, a key theme of the whole process, according to Merkel. "Ukraine has made efforts to implement promised reforms," Hollande, who demanded full respect for the Minsk agreement as the only guarantee to end hostilities in eastern Ukraine said.
Escalating conflict
The conflict between the forces of the rebels Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk -in which, according to the UN, about 7,000 have perished people, including combatants and civilians, has intensified in recent weeks, with frequent violations of cease-fire have caused new victims. Last week, Russia, through its Security Council Secretary Nikolai Pátrushev- meanwhile accused Ukraine of violating the agreements Minsk and want to solve the conflict by force.
"We are in favor of peace, but not peace. Hence, we will increase spending on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will increase the salaries of the military and strengthen the system of hiring professionals, "said Poroshenko yesterday. But what we can not do, he said, it is to promise the elimination of conscription and the cessation of new demonstrations. "In terms of aggression, it can not be an army composed exclusively of professional soldiers," he added.
Back to bottling my Grenache
Rodrigo Fernandez Moscow 24 Aug 2015
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, during the commemoration of the country's independence. / Efrem Lukatsky (AP)
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, has accused Russia on Monday to concentrate more than 50,000 troops on the border with his country and said that the threat of invasion still very much alive. During the commemoration of the 24th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, Poroshenko has defended the peace agreements signed in Minsk last February as a solution to conflict in the east of the country, where pro-Russian rebels have proclaimed the so-called people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk .
In a speech at the famous Maidan Square in the center of Kiev, speech Poroshenko said the Kremlin has not given up the idea of invading Ukraine or directly launch an offensive of the rebels inside the country. Proof of this is, according to the Ukrainian leader, Russia keeps on its eastern border, "a military grouping of more than 50,000 men." To these must be added "9,000 professional soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" deployed in the "occupied territories", which is defined as the Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk regions controlled by the pro-Russian rebels. In addition, Moscow has given the rebels 500 tanks, 400 artillery systems and 950 armored vehicles, he added.
"We are ready to reject"
Despite all this display, the Ukrainian president said that Kiev is able to neutralize the threat of invasion: "The enemy knows that we are ready to reject it and the price of an escalation would be extremely high for Russia," he said. Moscow is already suffering the consequences of the sanctions imposed by the West, while Ukraine has strengthened its defense capacity, said Poroshenko just hours before meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande to discuss the situation in the east Ukraine.
Both Merkel and Hollande insisted that the validity of these agreements is the only way to stabilize the country and to end hostilities. "We came here to implement the agreement in Minsk and not to question it," said the chancellor, during a joint appearance before reporters at the headquarters of the German government, Enrique Müller report. Merkel and Hollande warned that the main aspects of the agreement were not being met as the cease-fire, disarmament and freedom of movement for observers from the OSCE, a key theme of the whole process, according to Merkel. "Ukraine has made efforts to implement promised reforms," Hollande, who demanded full respect for the Minsk agreement as the only guarantee to end hostilities in eastern Ukraine said.
Escalating conflict
The conflict between the forces of the rebels Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk -in which, according to the UN, about 7,000 have perished people, including combatants and civilians, has intensified in recent weeks, with frequent violations of cease-fire have caused new victims. Last week, Russia, through its Security Council Secretary Nikolai Pátrushev- meanwhile accused Ukraine of violating the agreements Minsk and want to solve the conflict by force.
"We are in favor of peace, but not peace. Hence, we will increase spending on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will increase the salaries of the military and strengthen the system of hiring professionals, "said Poroshenko yesterday. But what we can not do, he said, it is to promise the elimination of conscription and the cessation of new demonstrations. "In terms of aggression, it can not be an army composed exclusively of professional soldiers," he added.
Back to bottling my Grenache
Equation
Lieutenant General
Ukraine's president says the Kremlin maintains 50,000 troops on the border
Rodrigo Fernandez Moscow 24 Aug 2015
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, during the commemoration of the country's independence. / Efrem Lukatsky (AP)
The President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, has accused Russia on Monday to concentrate more than 50,000 troops on the border with his country and said that the threat of invasion still very much alive. During the commemoration of the 24th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, Poroshenko has defended the peace agreements signed in Minsk last February as a solution to conflict in the east of the country, where pro-Russian rebels have proclaimed the so-called people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk .
In a speech at the famous Maidan Square in the center of Kiev, speech Poroshenko said the Kremlin has not given up the idea of invading Ukraine or directly launch an offensive of the rebels inside the country. Proof of this is, according to the Ukrainian leader, Russia keeps on its eastern border, "a military grouping of more than 50,000 men." To these must be added "9,000 professional soldiers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" deployed in the "occupied territories", which is defined as the Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk regions controlled by the pro-Russian rebels. In addition, Moscow has given the rebels 500 tanks, 400 artillery systems and 950 armored vehicles, he added.
"We are ready to reject"
Despite all this display, the Ukrainian president said that Kiev is able to neutralize the threat of invasion: "The enemy knows that we are ready to reject it and the price of an escalation would be extremely high for Russia," he said. Moscow is already suffering the consequences of the sanctions imposed by the West, while Ukraine has strengthened its defense capacity, said Poroshenko just hours before meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande to discuss the situation in the east Ukraine.
Both Merkel and Hollande insisted that the validity of these agreements is the only way to stabilize the country and to end hostilities. "We came here to implement the agreement in Minsk and not to question it," said the chancellor, during a joint appearance before reporters at the headquarters of the German government, Enrique Müller report. Merkel and Hollande warned that the main aspects of the agreement were not being met as the cease-fire, disarmament and freedom of movement for observers from the OSCE, a key theme of the whole process, according to Merkel. "Ukraine has made efforts to implement promised reforms," Hollande, who demanded full respect for the Minsk agreement as the only guarantee to end hostilities in eastern Ukraine said.
Escalating conflict
The conflict between the forces of the rebels Kiev Donetsk and Lugansk -in which, according to the UN, about 7,000 have perished people, including combatants and civilians, has intensified in recent weeks, with frequent violations of cease-fire have caused new victims. Last week, Russia, through its Security Council Secretary Nikolai Pátrushev- meanwhile accused Ukraine of violating the agreements Minsk and want to solve the conflict by force.
"We are in favor of peace, but not peace. Hence, we will increase spending on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will increase the salaries of the military and strengthen the system of hiring professionals, "said Poroshenko yesterday. But what we can not do, he said, it is to promise the elimination of conscription and the cessation of new demonstrations. "In terms of aggression, it can not be an army composed exclusively of professional soldiers," he added.
Back to bottling my Grenache
They are going to need a lot more, say at least 100,000 to counter the Rebel and possible Russian forces from beating them. Again that takes a lot of money that the Ukraine don't have in the first place, as of right now. Their only hope is a full NATO sponsorship. Other than that, Putin and the Rebels has time on their side.
Yep, why don't you post the Raptors to Europe link for me bruda? and thank you, bout time they got the ponies out of the barn?
and only a year and a half late, bout time, Raptors and Warthogs, sounds like somebody finally got the picture?
from the "Wizard of Oz", "now, that's a horse of a different color"?
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Here you go bro. Don't want to bother your Honey Badger for too long, she's on duty and don't want to be disturbed.
No, the Honey Badger went to bed, she does require her beauty rest, makes it look like I robbed the cradle?? but, maybe I did, so Equation, think those Gyrenes will want to get their Bravo's into the picture, I know its very premature, but the way they are promoting that bird and pushing her development right along? So will it be the Langley boys, the Elmendorf crew, or the Eglin team???
Kiev started the war in April last year with a large numerical and material superiority but a clear lack in tactical and operational sense. As every following mobilization provided fewer recruits to the army and most of those to be called up fled to Russia those 100,000 will remain out of reach. Beside in October comes the MH17 report. Where, exactly, was the aircraft when it was hit by that Buk M1? And why was that information not published a year ago?
Remember in October the MH17 report is to be published. Where was that aircraft when it was hit by a Buk M1? And why was that information not published a year ago?
Forbes said:
I cannot say if the numbers are accurate...or all of the details.
But I have no doubt that there is financial information about the losses incurred by Russia in the Ukraine, and somewhere that information is documented.
Forbes says that they have come across some of it here to the tune of:
2,000 dead
3,200 disabled